No Hyperv CDP

[jayscarff]

Hi All,
Just looking to confirm the CDP will not be working with Hyperv right?

[wishr]

Hi Jayson,

Correct, as CDP utilizes vSphere I/O filtering capabilities that are not present in Hyper-V.

Thanks

[Gostev]

Microsoft really dropped the ball on Hyper-V some years ago, mentally labeling its feature set "good enough" and going all-in with the cloud. But I think last year it finally struck them that the future is not Azure (as they like to think), but rather hybrid cloud. So we now see their Hyper-V investments trend reversing with them releasing Azure HCI, meaning there's still hope!

Overall though, Hyper-V market share has been shrinking incredibly fast. Even from Veeam perspective, the percentage of Hyper-V deployments went from solid twenties to single digits over the past 3 years or so, with most customers switching to VMware. And unless this trend reverses, soon it will make no business sense for Veeam to continue investing into Hyper-V support...

[karsten123]

Hi Anton,
are there any news for Hyperv CDP?

Thank you in advance

[Gostev]

No changes for now... Hyper-V market share keeps reducing, Azure HCI did not really manage to reverse the trend yet.

[Mrtwinklle]

Hi ,
my question is regarding to Veeam CDP , does Hyper v supported or not?

[Mildur]

Hi Bilal

It's only supported for vSphere.
HyperV is not capable of doing CDP. CDP uses the vSphere APIs for I/O filtering (VAIO).

[futureweb]

New Year - same Question - did anything change here in relation to CDP + Hyper-V?
Also may I ask if you still see reduction of Hyper-V shares as Gostev said in his comment or did it stabilize or grow again?!

[rwgs]

I'd like to know too. What's the current usage, especially given the recent announcements/changes at VMWare?

[Gostev]

The usage has been reducing slowly but steadily in the past two years.

[kaffeine]

It will probably take a while to see the effects of the VMWare turmoil (due to long renewing cycles, PoCs needed to test alternative systems, etc.), but I suppose Hyper-V will definitely be one of the platforms that people will go to after jumping the VMWare ship, being it Azure HCI or vanilla Windows Server with Hyper-V enabled. On the last Ignite event MSFT teased multiple features they'll bring to Windows Server vNext, so the Hyper-V technology itself is definitely not dead.

[rleon]

*Proxmox enters the chat*

[mcz]

Ok, so here we are again, 10 months later and I guess that Hyper-V figures have increased significantly over the last months. Now Microsoft might be interested in developing similar functionalities like VAIO has. Have you got any insights for us if it might be possible to get a CDP functionality on Hyper-V?

And is there maybe a trend that other supported Hypervisors might implement this API/functionality? If you require CDP, you're locked in vmware, which seems ridiculous these days considering the pricing. In my case the price changed by factor 35!!!

[Gostev]

I'm not aware if Microsoft and other hypervisor vendors are planning VAIO-like functionality. So we're considering adding a capability to get data from inside machine instead (in other words "agent-based CDP"). This should make CDP universal and not hypervisor dependent.

[mcz]

But I guess that works only with the common OSes, right? I'm thinking about some specially crafted vm's like innovaphone's ipva with self built kernel (no linux derivation) and that would probably not be supported...

[Gostev]

Correct, Windows and Linux only.

[garypigott]

I'm not aware if Microsoft and other hypervisor vendors are planning VAIO-like functionality. So we're considering adding a capability to get data from inside machine instead (in other words "agent-based CDP"). This should make CDP universal and not hypervisor dependent.

Will this also means we can use Veeam for physical server CDP?

[mcz]

Ey this idea is not bad! But I guess the question is if the P2V conversion can be done in a short amount of time, because otherwise it's not really hitting its goal, which is a fast failover in case of desaster...

[Gostev]

Will this also means we can use Veeam for physical server CDP?

Correct, that would enable physical server as source. However, this opens another question: what do you want to be the CDP target for such sources?

[mcz]

When I think about it... How could you for instance start a physical (target) machine? Yes, there a ways, but nothing that reliable or easy as using a vm/hypervisor API. So I'd say that it probably makes more sense to almost always target a virtual machine as target... There might be use cases to do CDP between physical source and target, but I guess there might be a lot of limitations...

[garypigott]

Correct, that would enable physical server as source. However, this opens another question: what do you want to be the CDP target for such sources?

As a service provider I don't ever see a need for physical to physical CDP. That just doesn't multi-tenant well, and orchestrating the failover could be complex. Physical to VMware/Hyper-V would do just fine for my particular use case. End users needs may differ however.