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Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby uros678 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:16 pm

Hello,

I have a Windows 2012 R2 cluster with SCV on a MSA2040 Fc SAN. Off-host proxy is the same OS version (Windows 2012 R2).

I have read in the documentation that I need a hardware VDS provider. On the HP support page for the SAN, there is no download that would have CAPI proxy, VDS and VSS included under the Windows 2012 R2 server option. And in the documentation for the MSA2040 VSS and VDS providers it reads:

"NOTE: For Windows Server 2012, VDS has been superseded by the Windows Storage Management API,
as described in “Virtual Disk Service (Windows)” at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library ... 50(v=vs.85).aspx: However the use
of VDS is still supported."


There is however a download of CAPI, VSS and VDS available under Windows Server 2008 R2.

Regarding the Veeam documentation on off-host backups, I know I need VDS hardware providers to use off-host proxy. Do I still need the package or is there some new functionality in Windows 2012 R2?

Kind regards,

Uroš
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:53 pm

Uroš, I recommend you to address this question to HP support. In the downloads area for your SAN make on the HP web site I can also see the hardware VSS provider for Windows 2012 as the latest one, so I'm not sure whether it can be used for Windows 2012 R2. The most effective way would be to ask them directly what is actually required to run hardware VSS assisted backups for your storage model under Windows 2012 R2. Thanks.
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby uros678 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:44 pm

Hey Foggy,

thanks for the answer. I was already thinking of what you suggested. Just wanted to know if anyone has any hands-on experience with this setup. :)

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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby RGijsen » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:46 am

I know this is an old thread but how have you fixed it? I have both P2000 and MSA2040 units with the same os and offhost proxy. I installed the 2008r2 vss / capi and it does create snapshots on the storage. But I have all sorts of issues. Do how did you proceed?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby uros678 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:10 am

Hello,

I kinda just gave up on this solution and started using on-host backup. I coudn't get it to work and due to time constraint (I needed a backup) I just used on-host backup.

If you get it to work, I would be glad to know how did you do it.

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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby jazzoberoi » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:06 am

Hi Guys, HP have released new versions of CAPI, VDS and VSS drivers for Windows Server 2012 R2 - https://h20566.www2.hp.com/hpsc/swd/pub ... nvOid=4168

Can the MSA 2040 be used in direct SAN mode now ?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:35 pm

Jazz, I don't think we have this specific storage in our lab, so if you could test this and post back your findings, it would be really appreciated.
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby jazzoberoi » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:10 am

So, i updated the firmware on the MSA2040 and installed the CAPI, VDS & VSS drivers on the Hosts and the VBR Server.

However, i'm getting the following error :

2/21/2015 9:01:43 PM :: Unable to create snapshot HP MSA 1040/2040 VSS Provider on Hyper-V Off-Host Backup Proxy (mode: Crash consistent). Details: Provider [{9d09666c-5cf8-45ca-9294-127c95562094}] does not support shadow copies of volume [\\?\Volume{7ccd25c4-b5db-4ee1-9291-3837429c755d}\].
--tr:Failed to add volumes to the snapshot set.
--tr:Failed to perform pre-backup tasks.

What am i doing wrong ?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:43 am

Does the on-host proxy server work with this hardware VSS provider or you have the same error message?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby jazzoberoi » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:10 am 2 people like this post

Hi just a quick update to let you guys know that with the latest drivers / firmware from HP, the MSA2040 now works perfectly with the direct SAN mode.
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby jazzoberoi » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:48 am

Hi,

Now that i've been using the Off-Host direct SAN mode for a few days.. i've got a few observations..

-- The Off-Host backup (Reverse incremental) seems to be slower than doing an On-Host backup over LAN. Previously, a reverse-incremental backup would complete in 5-10 mins, but now it takes close to 20-30 mins.
-- It seems that most of the time wasted (2-3 mins) is during 'Creating snapshot HP MSA 1040/2040 VSS Provider on Hyper-V Off-Host Backup Proxy (mode: Veeam application-aware processing).' phase. Also, for some reason it only snapshots one VM at a time, even though i've checked the Proxy settings to process 4 simultaneous processes ? Am i missing some setting somewhere ?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:30 pm

jazzoberoi wrote:The Off-Host backup (Reverse incremental) seems to be slower than doing an On-Host backup over LAN. Previously, a reverse-incremental backup would complete in 5-10 mins, but now it takes close to 20-30 mins.

And what are the bottleneck stats for both jobs?
jazzoberoi wrote: Also, for some reason it only snapshots one VM at a time, even though i've checked the Proxy settings to process 4 simultaneous processes ? Am i missing some setting somewhere ?

Please take a look a this topic, as it might be exactly your case > Allow processing of multiple VMs with Single-Volume
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby jazzoberoi » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:05 am

Hi Vitaly,

The bottleneck stats are :

Onhost Method:
Image

Off-host (SAN Mode):
Image

Also, I've got my Hyper-V environment setup as follows :

CSV (Lun-2) Details:
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MSA 2040 SAN Controller: A
Hyper-V Node CSV Owner: HV-2
VM Files Residing: VM-DC, VM-Deployment, VM-ERP, VM-Print, VM-Security

CSV (Lun-3) Details:
---------------------
MSA 2040 SAN Controller: B
Hyper-V Node CSV Owner: HV-1
VM Files Residing: VM-FileServer


HyperV Node 1:
--------------
VM's running : VM-DC, VM-Print, VM-FileServer

HyperV Node 2:
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VM's running : VM-Deployment, VM-ERP, VM-Security


How should I organise the above to take advantage of the fastest backups processing in VEEAM ?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:04 pm

Didn't see it mentioned in your post, but do you the same target repository in both jobs? Application aware image processing should not have such effect on your jobs. Also can just to compare apples to apples, can you create a temp job with the same VMs that would use on-host and off-host proxy servers?
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Re: Windows 2012 R2 Cluster + MSA 2040 FC + Off-host backup

Veeam Logoby jazzoberoi » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:02 pm

Hi Vitaliy,

Lets ignore the speed issues for now. Can you please take a look at my cluster configuration as i've posted above and tell me if this is the optimal way to take advantage of the multi-snapshot capability in VEEAM ? Why is it making a different snapshot for each VM ?
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