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Immutability with NAS

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My current implementation for onsite immutability is having a linux server with storage, but I would like to simply that a bit more.

I was reviewing the Veeam Ready list and it appears that currently, only QNap with QuObjects are the only Veeam-verified devices. Is that correct?

Assuming it is, I just want to verify that I understand the architecture:

I would only have a B&R server and a QNAP NAS.
The QNAP would be repository configured for immutability.

I know I am over simplifying, but is that essentially the picture?
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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Hi North Guard

Immutability and direct to object storage for NAS backups are V12 features. Earlier versions will not be able to use it.
I was reviewing the Veeam Ready list and it appears that currently, only QNap with QuObjects are the only Veeam-verified devices. Is that correct?
Yes, if it's in the Veeam Ready list. It will be updated if other devices are receiving the Veeam ready status.
I also recommend checking out other solutions.

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Re: Immutability with NAS

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It wouldn't be setup or present itself in the same manner that something like Wasabi does?
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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It wouldn't be setup or present itself in the same manner that something like Wasabi does?
QNap with QuObjects is an S3 compatible object storage.
You will create a bucket on the QNAP and then add it as an object storage in Veeam Backup & Replication.
The configuration in Veeam will be the same as for Wasabi today.

- V11 can only offload deleted files or older file versions to object storage. And it cannot be immutable.
- V12 is able in addition to backup all files and their versions to object storage directly and set them immutable.

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Re: Immutability with NAS

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I am currently doing immutable with Wasabi for a couple of clients and it offloads the immediate backup....

For the 2nd part, is the difference in who actually handles the immutability? With V11 the vendor ( Wasabi, QNAP, etc ) is handling it?

I think I am getting a bit confused
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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Is the question about NAS backup Jobs or VM backup Jobs?
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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NAS would be the storage to hold the backups....
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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Ok, then I was confused by the title :)
Moved again to object storage.
For VM and Agent Jobs, it behaves the same as Wasabi or any other object storage with object lock support.

1) You create a bucket on the "QNap with QuObjects".
2) You connect the bucket to VBR.
3) You add the bucket as a capacity tier to a SOBR.

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Re: Immutability with NAS

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One more hopefully easy question:

Would I still need a "local" backup to Veeam ( ie., the SOBR would need a local + a capacity tier )?
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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Yes, in V11 you need a SOBR with "local" storage (performance tier).

V12 will allow you to back up a VM, Agent and almost any other workload directly to object storage without a SOBR.
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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QNAP TS-1886XU-RP
QuTS hero h5.0.1.2277
QuObjects 2.4.1446

Veeam B&R 12.0.0.1420 P20230223

Immutability does not work.
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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Please contact QNAP if you can not enable it on the Veeam side.
Edited: Qulogic=>QNAP
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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why Qulogic? QuObjects from Qnap.

Oder Qulogic.de? :)
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Re: Immutability with NAS

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Hello,
Have you followed all the needed steps to configure QuObjects, and create a bucket with object-lock, plus add it to Veeam properly? I have the same build and all works as expected, more info here with the step by step: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbTQLihEiII

If you encounter issues, after following that video, I would recommend to open a QNAP ticket. As Veeam will use the bucket as QNAP has it configured.

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Re: Immutability with NAS

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i have QuObjects 2.4.1466
in Window StorageSpace i have Settings "Worm"
in Window Backet: Object lock is not supported. Word is disabled on the storage space.
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