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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by m.novelli » Oct 15, 2018 2:52 pm

I'm super very sad Gostev :cry:

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by pstilber » Oct 15, 2018 4:09 pm

Adding my frustration that there is no option for using Azure blob storage as a backup copy target. We were really excited for Azure blob support in Veeam, but after waiting nearly a year for it the implementation in this release has made us start shopping for a new backup vendor.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by Gostev » Oct 15, 2018 8:21 pm

Sorry to hear that, Phil. As I've said, this is already planned for the future update based on the feedback from beta - but I do understand that you may not be willing to wait. I hope you will consider Veeam again once this feature is delivered!

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by MikePettit » Oct 15, 2018 11:16 pm

Gostov and others, while I'm really disappointed that I'm not going to easily be able to use Veeam to connect to Azure Blob with copy jobs, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond and let me know about VTL options and the fact that future updates will include that auto-copy-to-archive-after-initial-backup option. I haven't liked the idea of using VTL options for methods that I don't really consider tape-type operations, so I won't go down that road.

I will just eagerly be awaiting the next update it seems. Unless, of course, we can sneakily slide this very important option into update 4...

Thanks, guys! Much appreciated.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by m.novelli » Oct 16, 2018 8:48 am

This topic is becoming hot, seems many users (as me) expected Veeam to support natively Backup Copy Jobs to Azure when they announced "Azure low cost storage support" :roll:

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by Gostev » Oct 16, 2018 12:22 pm 1 person likes this post

Thanks all for your interest and validating the need. We will try to release the next update as fast as we can :D and this particular functionality is already implemented in the next update branch, so it's pretty much guaranteed to make it.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by JHuston » Oct 16, 2018 7:25 pm

Add me on as a user that needs native backup copy to Azure sooner rather than later. Since it was announced that the NetApp AltaVault is end of sale in Dec, we're looking to move off that platform asap. Yes there are other options such as VTL but its just something else to maintain, another layer to cause issues and it's clunky in my opinion. Cloud connect isn't a option for companies that need long term retention for lots of data. ( think 7+ years and multi petabytes of data).

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Veeam and would never want to stray to something else. But I have been pressured into looking at other platforms to fill our gaps and am impressed on what other vendors can do native in the cloud. Globally deduped and compressed backup sets right to Azure. Single file restores from Azure BLOB data right in the cloud, starting VM's right in the cloud fro mbackup sets. IMO These are all features Veeam needs to stay top dog, especially in the SMB space where we need our backup solution to be agile and be able to support rapid business changes and growth. With the cloud quickly becoming some part of SMB BUR/DR workflow, this would be of huge value to us.

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[MERGED] When are we getting direct to Azure blob storage backup?

Post by networkup » Oct 17, 2018 3:29 pm

Hi,

We need to make a plan on our hardware as the tape drive which we use for offsite backups is beginning to get errors.

Our Manager wants us to move away from tapes to cloud backups.

We need to be able to go direct to Azure blob storage from on premise Veeam backup and replication, when will this be possible? Any version number and estimated dates?

We need to make a business decision on whether to stay with Veeam and this is difficult without timescales on this feature.

Any help would be appreciated please.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by mcz » Oct 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Gostev wrote:
Oct 14, 2018 10:33 pm
It's planned for the future updates. You will still need a regular repository for the "Performance Tier" of your scale-out backup repository for all the reasons mentioned above, however the "Capacity Tier" will have an option to duplicate any created backups into object storage as soon as they are created
Anton, what about insider-protection-features? You know a copied backup in Azure (or any other cloud) is great but can still be droped/modified/manipulated/destroyed by humans/malware which would always end in desaster. Some kind of insider-protection would be necessary to turn this feature into something like air-gap...

What do you think?
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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by Gostev » Oct 18, 2018 9:39 pm

Michael, what about setting a time-based retention lock on the storage container?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ ... le-storage

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by MikePettit » Oct 18, 2018 10:57 pm

Thanks, Gostov.

I've read about WORM and, while that has some benefits, I would much rather just keep my same strategy of backups. Right now I run copy backups to an Azure VM (with data disks attached) and tell it to keep 4 restore points. And in order for it to stick at 4 restore points, it has to do a merge process on the data once the 5th data set is copied, so I need the data to be writable. And I'm not even sure if the merge process is going to be a possibility in the blob world, but I can't really test until I can get there with a copy job. I'm in the same boat as others, where management is asking about other backup vendors who are better prepared for cloud. I hope to stick with Veeam, and if I'm able to then my first two things with update X will be:

1. Get a copy job running to azure blob.
2. See if the merge process works so I can keep only a few restore points up there.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by Gostev » Oct 19, 2018 11:48 am

There are no merges with our object storage integration... we operate with pointers to data blocks - same concept as our current ReFS integration feature, if you're familiar with one.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by csydas » Oct 21, 2018 7:17 pm

For those of you looking to put backup (copies?) up into Azure, can I ask what your budget is for the egress costs? Or how you envision it going in a disaster recovery event?

I've worked with a client that was obsessed with keeping backups in Azure via a StoreSimple device, and we ended up with corrupted/unreadable backups from the cloud as a result with exceptionally long recovery time. I get that Amazon/Microsoft aren't going anywhere soon, but I just get the feeling that it's such a burden to recover from the majority of emergency restore scenarios, and I'm not sure I see the benefit unless you're willing to commit a significant budget to this. I have colleagues from abroad who are 100% in on Azure, and I just cannot fathom keeping any backups I rely on there.

I've rambled a bit, but what is the disaster recovery plan/budget you've all set for Azure/AWS restores?

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by dimaslan » Oct 22, 2018 2:30 pm 1 person likes this post

CSydas,

Since the Azure cold blob storage is considered by most as a long term, archival option (monthlies, yearlies), then the prospect of it being a part of a DR scenario does not really apply.

I think that the likelihood of needing a restore from 2 or more years ago would be a one or two time occurrence for most.

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Re: 9.5 Update 4 - Azure Blob Storage

Post by mcz » Oct 23, 2018 3:17 pm

Some of you already pointed out that restore/IR from azure blob storage would be quite paintful in terms of availability/performance - of course bandwith and latency cannot be as good as if you would use your backup on premises.

I'm woundering if it

a) technically would already be possible to do a restore/IR of a VM directly to azure with "full speed", bypassing slower internet links (so that the data would be directly written/read from azure to azure) and
b) if there are plans on veeam-side to provide such a feature in the near future

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