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Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by grantd » Mar 18, 2018 7:52 pm

The page below shows that Veeam currently supports failover clusters, but not ones that use cluster shared volumes. Are there any plans to implement that capability? Testing shows that backing up a CSV on a file share cluster currently works (at least in our test environment) but simply isn't officially supported by Veeam. Thanks.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Mar 18, 2018 8:41 pm

Hello and welcome to the community grantd.

Indeed, CSV is not supported. Please clarify what type of data you store on the CSV? Thank you!

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by grantd » Mar 18, 2018 11:27 pm

Thanks. I'm specifically looking to backup a Windows DFS File Share that currently uses CSVs.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by sbiggi » Apr 25, 2018 9:35 pm

I have a customer running Windows Failover Cluster with SQL 2014 using CSVs and the databases reside on the CSV. So as Veeam currently is, it doesn't backup any database information.

If Veeam can backup HyperV using CSVs, why doesn't it support it for non-hyperv backups?

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Apr 27, 2018 10:54 am

Hello Seth.

The processing logic is different, so this request cannot be implemented that easy. Thanks for sharing your use case, I've added your vote to this feature request.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by CorbinD » Aug 16, 2018 2:27 pm

So, Does Veeam have a best practice then or option for backing up shared cluster storage?

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Aug 17, 2018 5:30 pm

Terry,

Please clarify when saying clustered storage are you referring to cluster shared volumes? Thank you.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by CorbinD » Aug 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Hi Dima,

Yes, Clustered shared volumes.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by rolflobker » Aug 28, 2018 10:39 am

I am also interested in this.

For High Availability it makes sense to use Cluster Shared Volumes for fileshares.
This also enables to option of Rolling Upgrades without downtime.

So my use case would not specifically be backing up the CSV itself, rather the Cluster Role(s)
The Clustered disk / Shares. Those can 'migrate' from server A to server B.

This effectively "removes" the Clustered Disk and shares from the VM itself so I would understand that this requires an alternative method of back-ing up because it cannot be linked to a specific VM.

Maybe Clustered disks could be backed up to a seperate VBR/VBK that is linked to all the VM's that have this cluster role?

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Aug 28, 2018 6:09 pm

Hi folks,

Sorry for keeping silence. From the top of my head the workaround for csv backup might be file level approach i.e. file copy or even file to tape job aimed at CSV volume via SMB.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by himcrucified » Feb 12, 2019 7:23 pm

I would definitely REALLY appreciate support for CSV backup support (file shares).

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Feb 15, 2019 7:37 pm

Hello and welcome to the community Jacob,

Just to clarify, are you saying that in your environment csv is mostly used as a storage for your file servers? Would it be ok to back them up on a file level instead of volume level? Thanks!

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by himcrucified » Mar 11, 2019 4:17 pm

Dima, yes we're looking at using CSV's exclusively. And yes, it would be okay in the short-term to back them up on a file level for now. I've been trying to do this but I must be doing something wrong, is there someone in support who could help me?

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Mar 11, 2019 7:37 pm

Jacob,

Unfortunately it's not possible to protect CSV via agent or VM backup now.

Potential workaround might be to use file to tape job: provide access to the desired files via smb and use file to tape job with these files as a source (tape library is not required as you can use virtual tape library). Cheers!

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by himcrucified » Mar 11, 2019 8:21 pm

I don't need it to "support" a CSV just need it to treat it like any other drive/volume so that I can do a file level backup. I was told that this might work. Is this what you mean by using a virtual tape library? If so, I'm not familiar with that type of job, can you elaborate?

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Mar 13, 2019 6:53 pm

Jacob,

There is no way to process files from csv even with file level backup mode (as snapshot of the volume is required anyway). My idea was around file to tape job as it can backup files from smb file share to emulated tape drive. That might sound like an overkill (as you have to setup additional components and backup activities - tape jobs and virtual tape library), but such workaround is completely free as it does not require any licensing: vtl like Quadstor is free and file to tape job is available in community edition of Veeam B&R. Last does not require license as well.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by jotge » May 20, 2019 12:00 pm

Dima P. wrote:
Apr 27, 2018 10:54 am
Hello Seth.

The processing logic is different, so this request cannot be implemented that easy. Thanks for sharing your use case, I've added your vote to this feature request.
Hello Dima,

any news about the feature request status?

We are working in environments of serveral customers with microsoft failover cluster and cluster shared volumes to provide sql server instances. At the moment we use sql maintanence plans as a workaround to backup the databases full and the transaction logs to another servers share. After that we do a backup of this server with a agent- or agentless backup. But this can be just a workaround!

Now back to your post from Apr 27 last year. Is there any news about developing or better releasing this feature.

Thank's

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » May 20, 2019 2:41 pm

Hello and welcome to the community jotge.

Unfortunately I do not have any updates to share now.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by marinu » Jul 15, 2019 12:54 pm

Hello everybody
I`m also interested in Backup a CSV... Are there news?

Ciao, Mario

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Jul 15, 2019 4:15 pm

Hello Mario,

Thank you for updating this thread with your feature request! CSV support is not planned for the next major version but we keep tracking this feature request very attentively.

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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by jayscarff » Aug 06, 2019 5:04 pm

Just confirming, we've got a SQL cluster, using cluster shared volumes for the DBs and logs, these are vms on hyper v. Are you saying that the SQL will not be backed up??
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Re: Windows Cluster Shared Volumes Support

Post by Dima P. » Aug 06, 2019 6:02 pm

No, this thread is related to Veeam Agent for Windows / Agent Management functionality. Hyper-V backup works fine.

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