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Feature Request: Proxmox

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Hi @all!
Proxmox , in my opinion, is a very useful, professional and uprising virtual environment based on KVM, which can be used productively with a clear conscience. Unfortunately, there is no smart backup solution for this environment :(.
In our VMware environments we use Veeam and it is the best backup software ever!
So my question: Are there plans to support Proxmox in the same way as VMware?
Note: I read some articles, which gave me the hint to do it with the linux agents, but to be honest, that's a very poor workaround, especially when you know Veeam's capabilities.

Thanks a lot and best regards! :)

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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Hi Harald.

No close plans on this to happen.
Using agents is a good way to protect proxmox machines, as those are quite close feature-wise to VM level backup - file level restore, application level restore, instant VM restore - all can be done from Veeam Agent backups as well. All Backup Copy operations, cloud offloads, tape copy are also valid for agent based backups. Aside of maybe VM level replication you should not see much difference between two.

Usability wise, Agents can be deployed automatically without your attendance, can be updated automatically to newer versions when needed, can be automatically added to existing backup jobs\policies. Pretty much fully automated from top to bottom, so you won't notice the difference aside of backup icon in VBR interface ;)

Which VM-only options you are lacking in agents?

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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Hi Egor! Thanks for your reply.
The point is, the agent backup is as far as I know a file-evel backup not a VM oriented backup. So I backup the volume where the virtual machines are stored as once. And not the VMs as objects. That is in my eyes the great advantage in a "smart" virtual environmental backup solution.
And: The restore...I have to do it from the host :| ...(?)
That's not really a smart solution ....

And in my opinion, it is one oft the easiest way to backup a VM, to create a snapshot, copy the quiescenced virtual disk to the backup target, and remove the snapshot (many years ago we have done it with a simple shellscript on the esx hosts - but this wasn't smart, too ;) ).
Ok, than you have to provide a piece of software to mount this backed up virtual disks for restore purposes ... but I believe in you, that you can do it. ;))))

I think, that should not be a big problem to make it available for another plattform other than vmware or hyper-v. Especially not for a big backup software company like Veeam.

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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We don't add features just because we can though :) as a business, we have to look at ROI of anything we do.

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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haraldgrau wrote: Feb 02, 2021 9:48 am The point is, the agent backup is as far as I know a file-evel backup not a VM oriented backup. So I backup the volume where the virtual machines are stored as once. And not the VMs as objects. That is in my eyes the great advantage in a "smart" virtual environmental backup solution.
And: The restore...I have to do it from the host :| ...(?)
That's not really a smart solution ....
I'd also like to point out that this isn't really a correct perception of Veeam agent backups. While the Veeam agents for Windows/Linux do have an option to perform an old-school style file level backups, the default behavior is to create image based backups exactly like the VM based products. Snapshots aren't created at the hypervisor level, but use VSS on Windows, and the Veeam created "veeamsnap" module on Linux and, in both cases, there is full support for CBT just like with hypervisor based backups. Basically, when using Veeam, agent based backups are nearly identical to VM based backups, unless you explicitly choose to use file level backup.

For restore, yes, you must do it from within the guest but we have a simple, bootable ISO which boots up a wizard and lets you restore the system quite easily. Is it as easy as hypervisor? OK, probably not, but it's still very easy and fast. And, technically, we also support a simple method to export agent backups to VHD/VHDX from the VBR server, and I believe Promox supports importing both of these formats, with a simple import function.

So sure, it won't be a 100% VMware experience, but it's probably 95%, with the major exception being full system restore needing a little more work, but those should be quite rare events.

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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If only Veeam had API's someone could use to script exporting VHD/VHDX to the datastore used by Proxmox, then use API's from Proxmox to create a VM and mount the VHD / VHDX.
Tada VM style recovery for proxmox. This of course would all depend on configurations of said datastore and how access is granted. This is also a super over-simplification of what it would take.

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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I'm pretty sure there's API for this already, @oleg.feoktistov can you confirm if there is a PowerShell cmdlet this wizard functionality?

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

Post by oleg.feoktistov » 5 people like this post

There sure is. Start-VBRRestoreVirtualDisks fully covers it. Thanks!

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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@haraldgrau have you tried the new Proxmox Backup Server released few months ago (vs vzdump) ?

Featurewise, for sure it's pretty far from VMware+Veeam solution, but if you don't need the full featureset it looks like a cost effective solution for small businesses with the basic handled (rest api, deduplication, granular restoration, cluster replication(handled by proxmox)).

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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We have production project based on VMs in Openstack + KVM public cloud. Currently 170 VMs managed by Veeam Backup and Replication and Enterprise Manager + Veeam Agents.
I have started personal video tutorial based on community edition for small customers.
It is valid for KVM, Proxmox, VirtualBox.
In some nearest video I will show how to restore Windows and Linux KVMs from from scratch if it isn't possible to mount ISO/CDROM device.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5OCFd ... eGbYPfl8J5

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Re: Feature Request: Proxmox

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+1 for proxmox with new incremental feature added to Veeam

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