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VBK to tape?!

Post by rm4g00 » Aug 03, 2016 8:11 am

Hello all,

I am using Veeam 9 non enterprise product in a large company,

I need some help- I am wondering can I just simply backup .vbk fulls to tape - the latest vbk files minus the incrementals as this takes up more space - surely the latest full would be better than an old full and incrementals?

Any help would be appreciated,

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 03, 2016 9:22 am

By non-enterprise you mean standard edition, right? Thanks.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by rm4g00 » Aug 03, 2016 10:51 am

Yes sorry

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 03, 2016 10:57 am

What mode does a source job leverage? Forward forever incremental, forward incremental with periodic full, reversed incremental?

In general, you can create files to tape job and use .vbk as a file mask in order to make it copy only full backups.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by rm4g00 » Aug 03, 2016 11:05 am

Standard incrementals with active fulls,

I was looking to just move active fulls vbk to tape to save space as we are struggling right now for this.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 03, 2016 11:08 am

Lower retention for a source backup job, create a file to tape job with the said file mask, set a retention for it (that is longer than the one you have for backup job) and you're good to go. Thanks.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by rm4g00 » Aug 03, 2016 1:08 pm

So a full end of month VBK of a Vsphere VM to tape only should be fine to restore ? it wont cause any corruptions etc with veeam db etc - the above is fine and thank you for that- I get what your meaning in scheduling & chain -I just wanted to double check if others do this- ie backup a full end of the month (the last one) to tape.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 03, 2016 2:08 pm

How often do you run active full backup? Once a month? In that case, a files to tape job executed in the end of the month will copy only the latest full backup, unless 1 month old full backup (copied during previous month) has not been removed from tapes.

Otherwise, if full backup happens more frequently, the monthly files to tape job will archive the latest full backup along with full backups that have been created throughout a month.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by rm4g00 » Aug 03, 2016 2:20 pm

We are awaiting delivery of a larger tapeloader- right now we only have a one drive tapeloader - meaning the number of vm's we are backing up normally exceeds the tape media size - so as of now we basically do an active full every SUN - Incremental Mon-Thurs - witha retention of 10 days

at the end of the month I'll move the last active full to tape for each of the vm's we are backing up - which in total is 18 at roughly 2.2 TB - this will be my first time doing this- I havent automated the tape / archive procedure so right now I'm manually creating a media pool adding the .vbk's in to the job creation.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by rm4g00 » Aug 03, 2016 2:21 pm

Sorry an Incremental MON-SAT

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 03, 2016 2:29 pm

We are awaiting delivery of a larger tapeloader- right now we only have a one drive tapeloader - meaning the number of vm's we are backing up normally exceeds the tape media size - so as of now we basically do an active full every SUN - Incremental Mon-Thurs - witha retention of 10 days
In this case, at each moment of time there will be between 1 and 3 full backups and monthly files to tape job will archive all of them.

So, in order to copy only latest full backup, you will probably need to write a script that finds the latest full backup and sets it as a source for files to tape job.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by kevin@wei.com » Aug 04, 2016 2:28 am

Do you have any pointers to a script that would work?

I have a similar problem. A customer of mine is looking to backup a VBK from the first of the month to tape. I want to skip the incrementals as they are not needed. I will need to ensure that a Full is run that day. The issue is that they are using a dedupe appliance that does not allow file browsing (HP StoreOnce using catalyst). I am unable to use a filter to screen out the unwanted incrementals. I'm using forware incrementals with a weekly synthetic full and a monthly active full.

Or would this be better asked in the powershell section?

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 04, 2016 9:42 am

The issue is that they are using a dedupe appliance that does not allow file browsing (HP StoreOnce using catalyst).
As far as I remember, we do allow browsing such storage. At least it should be possible to select files residing on it as a source for file copy jobs.

Or you're saying that is not true for files to tape jobs? I cannot confirm that at the moment, as I don't have the said device at hand.

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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by rreed » Aug 04, 2016 6:02 pm

v.Eremin wrote:How often do you run active full backup? Once a month? In that case, a files to tape job executed in the end of the month will copy only the latest full backup, unless 1 month old full backup (copied during previous month) has not been removed from tapes.

Otherwise, if full backup happens more frequently, the monthly files to tape job will archive the latest full backup along with full backups that have been created throughout a month.

Thanks.
This is currently what we do. I'd love to have the script that backs up to tape 'only' the month end full, in case my manager says we need to stop getting 'every' full backup to tape please.
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Re: VBK to tape?!

Post by v.Eremin » Aug 05, 2016 8:16 am

I've created a rough example, kindly, test it (and/or modify) prior to sticking to it:

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asnp VeeamPSSnapin
$TapeJob = Get-VBRTapeJob -Name "Name of File to Tape Job"
$LatestVBK = (gci "Name of backup job directory" -Filter "*.vbk" | sort "LastWriteTime" -Descending)[0] #For instance, "D:\Backup Repository 2\Backup Job 2"
$NewObject = New-VBRFileToTapeObject -Path $LatestVBK.FullName
Set-VBRFileToTapeJob -Job $TapeJob -Object $NewObject
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