Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

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Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby nikpolini » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:15 am

Does the Registry setting DisableVBKRename work in the Endpoint Agent?

My reasons are I want to use rsync and VPN between 2 Raspberry Pi + 2TB USB HDD, one is onsite holding the initial backups (via SAMBA share) and the other is offsite at a friends house.... Only want to move changed blocks... so need the VBKs name to remain unchanged after the injection of oldest VIB.

Also great that the agent allows encrypting the backups now!
Hmmm.. How does that affect the block changes after injection? will the whole VBK be different once injected block are added?
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:17 pm

Hi nikpolini,

The workaround you are referring to applies to Reversed incremental backup mode. Unfortunately, Veeam Agent for Windows runs in forever incremental backup mode which means incremental backup eventually is merged into full backup. In theory, you can configure periodic full backups and sync only the inactive part of backup chain.
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[MERGED]Feature request - Disable VBK renaming

Veeam Logoby HDennis » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:18 am

Hello,

Would like the option to disable the VBK renaming after a merge has been performed.
I'm currently doing local backups to my NAS. Afterwards I do a copy to the cloud. (Just to be on the safe side.) However due to the renaming of the VBK after a merge operation, the entire VBK needs to be uploaded again.
Would be nice to keep only 1 VBK name and let backup dedupe do the rest for the upload. (Total VBK to upload is around 210GB at the moment. Up speed is 20Mbps, so it would take around a full day to upload.)
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[MERGED]Re: Feature request - Disable VBK renaming

Veeam Logoby Technogod » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:13 pm

Unless your backup supports change block tracking it wouldn't understand how to upload the changed blocks. It would still upload the entire file. That is why I'm using B&R and Agent.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:41 pm

Hello and welcome to the community Dennis,

Due the nature of forever forward incremental backup mode vbk rename won’t work. Try the periodic full backups and sync the inactive backup chain as suggested above.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Technogod » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:01 pm

How is this going to fix his problem? Once you perform a periodic full it will start a new backup chain. You would then need to sync the new full backup.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:28 pm

You can sync inactive backup chain because it won’t be modified by merge.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Technogod » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:29 am

This still won't fix the problem. You need to have a current backup. You will still have to sync the current full backup.

Quote: My reasons are I want to use rsync and VPN between 2 Raspberry Pi + 2TB USB HDD, one is onsite holding the initial backups (via SAMBA share) and the other is offsite at a friends house.... Only want to move changed blocks... so need the VBKs name to remain unchanged after the injection of oldest VIB.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby HDennis » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:26 am

Hello Dima,

So you suggest to create a periodic full (once a month)? Creating a new full backup will start a new chain, yes?
So I configure to keep backups for the last 45 days, but then also set to create an active full once each month? This way it will only need to upload a full VBK once a month and VIB injection is never really run?

I suppose this is better than uploading the VBK each days after retention starts to kick in, but still...
Would be better to be able to have only 1 VBK.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Carnie » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:32 am

I got the same problem. Are there any plans to change this behaviour and get the chance to keep the .vbk filename ? Can i use a different Veeam Product with an acceptable price for personal usage to achieve this ? I really like veeam and it would be a pain in the ass to move to another solution for a minor thing like this.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby iknowtech » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:30 am

I also could use the ability to Disable VBK renaming on the Veeam Agent for WIndows, for the same reasons as the the original poster.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:44 pm

Folks,

Even if we make the disable renaming option available it won’t solve the problem. Default backup mode is forever incremental and full backup is being modified during merge process. As a result, you have to copy the full backup chain every time.

The only option is to copy the unmodified backup files (or inactive backup chain) which is produced when periodic full option is enabled. In case you are using Veeam Backup & Replication repository as a target backup copy job works with agent backup files smoothly (all backup modes are supported)

P.S. Dennis sorry it seems I missed your post. Active full disables the merge of the incremental backup into full.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby iknowtech » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:17 pm

Dima P. wrote:Even if we make the disable renaming option available it won’t solve the problem. Default backup mode is forever incremental and full backup is being modified during merge process. As a result, you have to copy the full backup chain every time.


I suppose that would really depend on whether whatever 3rd party solution that is being used to sync the backups offsite is capable of only uploading the changes to the main VBK file after each merge, wouldn't it? Every day you would be synching the days incremental and the changes to the main VBK. As it stands now you sync the incremental and full newly renamed VBK everyday.

Dima P. wrote:The only option is to copy the unmodified backup files (or inactive backup chain) which is produced when periodic full option is enabled. In case you are using Veeam Backup & Replication repository as a target backup copy job works with agent backup files smoothly (all backup modes are supported)

P.S. Dennis sorry it seems I missed your post. Active full disables the merge of the incremental backup into full.


If I set the "Keep backups for the past "45" days when the computer was running. Then set the Active backup for Monthly. And the computer was on everyday of the 45 days. Then essentially you would have two backup sets, where the older backup set wouldn't get deleted until the newer backup set reached approximately its 15th incremental is that correct? But I am trying to wrap my head around what would happen if the computer was only on for 28 days out of the 45 for instance?
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[MEGRED] Incremental backup - filename of initial backup cha

Veeam Logoby xamoel » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:25 pm

Hi,
I use Veam to backup my server 2012R2 to my Synology.
All these files are then sent via WAN to a remote Synology.
As the WAN speed is really slow, I made the first backup in LAN. As all other backups are only incremental and about 500MB, I can backup them up using WAN with ease.

But recently I noticed the backups stopped. So I started looking what was wrong, and noticed that the initial Veam backup keeps changing the filename to represent the new date.
Can I set Veam to keep the original filename of the initial backup?
Otherwise Synology detects a change of file and starts backing up the huge first backup.

Thanks.
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Re: Disable VBK renaming? and Encryption/changed blocks?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:11 pm

Jason,
Then essentially you would have two backup sets, where the older backup set wouldn't get deleted until the newer backup set reached approximately its 15th incremental is that correct?

The first (inactive) backup chain will be deleted by retention when the last increment in the chain is retired.

xamoel,
Can I set Veam to keep the original filename of the initial backup?

Unfortunately, it's not possible, but I noted a feature request based on this forum thread. Thank you!
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