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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby luckyinfil » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:54 pm 1 person likes this post

That's a very narrow point of view, and I don't think it's necessarily accurate. While virtualization gives you significant advantages, there are always situations where a physical is still required. For example, servers which utilize high CPU/memory/network/whatever resources which have been proven to be not good candidates of virtualization and consolidation will always remain physical no matter the advancement in virtualization technology.

If you have the means to do it already and there is a demand from the customers, why not simply implement it and charge for it? Regardless of your beliefs, it will not take you much resources to integrate a technology you have working into your B&R product. It just seems like such a no brainer to me - the customer is literally telling you to "shut up and take my money".
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby luckyinfil » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:55 pm

OH, and just to add, VDI is pretty common out there nowadays and will probably be the norm in the future.
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:27 pm 2 people like this post

luckyinfil wrote:That's a very narrow point of view, and I don't think it's necessarily accurate. While virtualization gives you significant advantages, there are always situations where a physical is still required. For example, servers which utilize high CPU/memory/network/whatever resources which have been proven to be not good candidates of virtualization and consolidation will always remain physical no matter the advancement in virtualization technology.

If you have the means to do it already and there is a demand from the customers, why not simply implement it and charge for it? Regardless of your beliefs, it will not take you much resources to integrate a technology you have working into your B&R product. It just seems like such a no brainer to me - the customer is literally telling you to "shut up and take my money".

Simply because we like to take a very narrow point of view, especially when we think that this narrow view is the future... and this strategy is exactly what made Veeam the fastest growing backup company in history. We are not trying to be everything to everyone - we prefer to be the best for some. This approach lets us leverage limited resources we possess most optimally.

We were virtual only 7 years ago, when virtual was a niche - but we knew this was the future. Fast forward to 2014, and now physical is the niche - and we are the leader in backup for "new normal", virtual machines! On the other hand, look at those other companies who have tried to cover all bases at once, and are currently enjoying the view of our receding tail lights :D

luckyinfil wrote:OH, and just to add, VDI is pretty common out there nowadays and will probably be the norm in the future.

May be in certain market segments only, because it is extremely uncommon within our customer base, which is not so small these days... we will see what happens in the next 5 years, but the past 5 years of VDI buzz did not really bring this technology any meaningful market share, especially in SMB market. And huge need for "thick endpoint" backup solution only proves this.

Where physical servers will be in a few years from now? Only God knows. Certain promising upcoming virtualization technologies, application stack improvements and newer hardware may very well put the last nail in the coffin of physical servers by addressing all of the concerns you have listed. There is also a small chance that virtualization will end up failing completely, and the industry will recognize that physical servers are must have in 21st century, while cloud is a myth. Either way, having all required technologies in hands - and well polished thanks to our free products (just like FastSCP helped our Backup to achieve its famous reliability), we will be well prepared to quickly react to our customers' demands in changing market conditions.
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby luckyinfil » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:02 pm 3 people like this post

I understand that you want to utilize the limited resources you have in the most efficient way possible, which is why I don't understand why there is a refusal to touch the physical servers. In this situation, you already have the product and technology to backup the physical servers, all that remains is to consolidate it into your existing product so that it can be centrally managed. Now, I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert in the area of software development, but this doesn't sound like a huge task that requires many resources to me. On the other hand, the benefit of implementing such a change would fullfill a huge customer demand which many are willing (or already) paying for (physical backups).

Furthermore, I didn't say that virtualization would fail completely, in fact, I think that it will be the way of the future. What I do think is that there will always be a need for physical server (for machines that aren't good candidates for consolidation which is a huge advantage of virtualization) which would imply that there will always be a need for physical backups. Why not capture this market as well with minimal effort? Like I mentioned earlier, the technology is already here, it just has to be polished up and sold.
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby rogerdu » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:38 pm

Gostev wrote:
PHBG wrote:What about VMs with phsycial RDM or SCSI Bus Sharing configuration?

These are legacy configurations from the past century that should not exist in modern data center going into 2015. Moreover, current hypervisors provide you with the ability to avoid the need for using such configurations. Remember that until your VM storage is virtualized, you are only half way on your virtualization journey anyway, as lack of storage virtualization breaks good half of all benefits virtualization brings.

While I agree Gostev, most enterprise Oracle DBA's do not, and have been schooled to only trust Oracle products, this the proliferation of Oracle RAC. I agree its limiting, but the point is THEY want it, and since databases ARE mission critical, THEY get to say what th earchitectrure and backup paradigm are. As a backup architect, I have some input, but the final say is theirs, and they are the ones who have to enact any "file" recoveries or disaster recovery scenarios.

I find your inflexibility somewhat comical... Lord knows I had a HELL of a time to get Oracle DBAs to accept that hot backups were a viable technology in the late 90's...
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby PMB_CTN » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:58 pm

luckyinfil wrote:I understand that you want to utilize the limited resources you have in the most efficient way possible, which is why I don't understand why there is a refusal to touch the physical servers. In this situation, you already have the product and technology to backup the physical servers, all that remains is to consolidate it into your existing product so that it can be centrally managed. Now, I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert in the area of software development, but this doesn't sound like a huge task that requires many resources to me. On the other hand, the benefit of implementing such a change would fullfill a huge customer demand which many are willing (or already) paying for (physical backups).

Furthermore, I didn't say that virtualization would fail completely, in fact, I think that it will be the way of the future. What I do think is that there will always be a need for physical server (for machines that aren't good candidates for consolidation which is a huge advantage of virtualization) which would imply that there will always be a need for physical backups. Why not capture this market as well with minimal effort? Like I mentioned earlier, the technology is already here, it just has to be polished up and sold.


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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby drussell » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:09 am

Hello, I was just curious if there are any updates about a release for the Beta? We are extremely excited to try it out.

Another question would be (Obviously being cautious in production environments with the Beta), but if/when we throw Endpoint Beta on a machine, will it be able to upgrade directly to the "Production" version without the need for an uninstall?

Thank You
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:37 am

Hi Dan,

We are aiming to release EndPoint beta very soon, so it's not that long to wait. As to upgrading Beta version to RTM code, then based on all Betas we had previously for other products, I can say that you will need to do a fresh installation.

Thanks!
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:29 pm

Dan,
Thank you for your interest in the product! Beta is just around the corner - make sure you have register at sign up to be the FIRST to get it website to participate. Also, first online product demo is going live on next friday, 28th of November, which you may find interesting: Video on Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Since the Beta is near 90% feature complete and some functionality is disabled for purpose, you would need to complete the fresh install once release version is out. Thank you.
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby dstewart83161 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:13 am

How do I signup for the beta? Want to be testing this right now on a few machines...chomping at the bit to see how it works/performs.

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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:31 pm

You can register via link above to know all the details of the upcoming beta.
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby fraack » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Today is the day! Cannot wait to get the download link provided
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby foggy » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:53 pm

Florian, you will have to wait for the download link a bit more, however today you can register for the first online product demo. Thanks.
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby blodsbror » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:00 am

Hi all!

It's been mentioned that endpoint protection will be able to interact with other Veeam components such as Exchange/MSSQL restore tools. Just so it's clear, does this mean that I can use endpoint protection to backup a physical Exchange 2007 DB cluster running on Server 2008, and restore individual DB's/Mailboxes etc - just as if the cluster was virtual and being backed up by Veeam B&R ?
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Re: Veeam Endpoint Backup Free

Veeam Logoby KevinBeaumont » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:04 am

From the weekly update it should be soon :)

And personally, I don't think Veeam should bother trying to back up legacy weird and wonderful physical configurations. You're basically backing up technology which is going to fail and be replaced in the future, most probably with virtual solutions. Focusing a business on a dying platform is, uhm, being BlackBerry. If DBAs want to build enterprise systems which are going to fail, let them.

Regarding this product, I don't think Veeam are focused on backing up clustered Exchange servers! Just basically desktop PCs you see in businesses.
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