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Backup of Veeam Backup for AWS Server

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Can you advise on what needs to be done to backup the backup server itself?

If the backup server were to be lost somehow how do we get it back with all our policies etc configured and with it being aware of the metadata of all the backups it has created etc?

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We leverage CloudWatch which creates a daily snapshot which can be used to recover and we also have a KB which explains this.
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Thanks for the speedy answer - is there any automation that moves that snapshot to S3? Otherwise we are vulnerable to the loss of just one AZ (which ever one that disk and corresponding snapshot happens to be in)

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There currently is not automation for replication or copy of that snapshot.

I am curious as to what you would feel would be the best design.... would you like the appliance to use cloudwatch to take snapshots and possibly replicate those. Or would you think having a config backup from the appliance being written to S3 be another option?

Not saying these are possible or on the roadmap I am just curious as to what you would like and how to do it.

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It is important to note that snapshots are not an AZ resource in AWS, so snapshot loss should not occur due to AZ down.

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Thanks guys,

You are right snapshots are cross AZ - so please ignore that comment.

Right now we don't, and can't use your provided cloud formation templates to deploy the veeam appliance - we have had to integrate with our existing terraform based provisioning. We have it working though but didn't implement the 'outside of appliance' snapshots. It would be preferable if we could just configure some sort of redundancy/backup for the veeam server 'database' in a more 'devops' / 'cloudy' fashion. Most of us use auto-scaling groups of size 1 to get automated recovery of instances when they fail - ideally the veeam appliance would support some sort of persistent storage of 'state' information that would work in that sort of situation - ideally some form of:

- using an RDS database for storage of information (where db connection details are passed in as userdata)
- using an EFS volume (where connection details are passed in userdata)
- using S3 bucket (where bucket name is passed in userdata)

Whilst I have your ear - another few things that would make the product more 'cloud / AWS / devops friendly':

- use VPC endpoints for all API calls and talking to S3 buckets
- use instance profiles for IAM policies
- provide an AMI deployment model in the marketplace so that those that use other automation tools (like terraform) and have custom designs, security restrictions etc dont have to reverse engineer your cloud formation.

Happy to expand on anything if its not clear.

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Sorry one other thing that would be very helpful:

Being able to backup just an ebs volume rather than a whole machine. If data is stored on a separate data volume and instances are constructed from an AMI only the data volume needs to be snapshot / backed up.

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Thanks for the feedback Chris regarding terraform and how you use it from devops perspective. Regarding the product design, thanks for the idea's but I can't forsee this quickly being implemented.

On the other topics/questions:
- use VPC endpoints for all API calls and talking to S3 buckets
We already leverage a VPC endpoint for S3 buckets, It might be a good idea to look into other ones as well what is possible and what not.

- use instance profiles for IAM policies
Something to look into but no ETA on this.

- provide an AMI deployment model in the marketplace so that those that use other automation tools (like terraform) and have custom designs, security restrictions etc dont have to reverse engineer your cloud formation.
Noted and understood regarding Terraform and adjustment. You're not the first to request it :-)

Being able to backup just an ebs volume rather than a whole machine. If data is stored on a separate data volume and instances are constructed from an AMI only the data volume needs to be snapshot / backed up.
Your request is noted but I can't provide an ETA on this.
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Another question is which edition are you using from the marketplace? is it the metered (paid thru marketplace) version?

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