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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:34 am

Sander,

Thanks for the insight in what your requirements are. Really appreciated. Can you clarify what you mean by Office Groups support. Are you seeking the possibility the restore the groups planning / Onenote and document library? Is that enough?

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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby sdejong » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:03 am 1 person likes this post

Mike,

Yes, it would be nice tot backup and restore all information in the group (group mailbox, OneNote, Document library and planning), primary the document library would be necessary.

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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:45 am

Thanks Sander! I appreciate it that you come back to me with the information. It makes it better for me to understand the business requirements!

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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby HenrikE » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:22 pm 1 person likes this post

Hi all!

I work as a consultant and have completed 20+ migrations to Office 365 for different sets of companies, I also often give lectures about Office 365. I have evaluated several different Office 365 backup products apart from Veeam for O365, such as CloudFinder, Spanning Backup and CloudAlly. Veeam Office 365 backup is interesting as it can be used both on-prem for those who like that and can I guess it can also be run in any IaaS provider VM you like to make it a cloud-to-cloud solution. Now, my reactions:

Veeam is really good as backup up mail. Easy to install and get going with, and restores is a breeze. I especially like the fact that you assume that one wants the restore to go back to where the original object was, the others for some reason like to create a "restore subfolder" and put stuff back there. So backup/restore of e-mail with Veeam is pretty much nailed down already. The GUI is great at that!

As many here have already posted, the one big thing missing is backup/restore of OneDrive/Sharepoint. I understand and respect that you start with backup of mail as that is something everybody uses, but please let backup of OneDrive be the next thing. All the other products I tested above have this already. Being able to backup and restore personal OneDrives and also shared libraries created with Groups and Planner is of much value. Of course all the other stuff like OneNote can be of value, but backup of documents would be the priority I'd say. Thats what people will miss most often and generally has greatest impact if lost. If I were you I'd release things in this manner:

1. Finish the backup of mail and go GA with it.
2. Add backups of personal OneDrives.
3. Add backup of Groups / Planner document libraries.
4. Add backup of Sharepoint Online in general with its different shared document functions

Nice to haves if you have free time:
5. Add backup of Planner Plans
6. Add backup of O365 Video libraries

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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:11 pm

Hi Henrik,

1. GA soon... Really soon :-)
2. Plans are being discussed and we are talking your (and others) feedback on the table
3. We hear you, although I am a bit surprised that you prefer this faster than #4

PS: You mention that OneNote is important (I agree, I use and rely on it heavily...) but if you backup OneDrive then the OneNote documents are included also... Is that enough for backup?

Thanks

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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby HenrikE » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:24 pm

Hello!

Yes, that OneNote backup should be enough as long as it can be restored as a unit of it's own.

The reason for my preference is that it kinda follows the pattern I see that customers usually follow when moving to Office 365. They all start with mail, then move file usage from their homedrive H: on the old file server to OneDrive, then they explore Groups and Planner for collaboration as they are SaaS solutions ready to consume. Fullblown Sharepoint PaaS document Intranets are more rare and often comes way later in the customers move to Office 365 (if ever). To cover most of the customers scenarios with a backup solution, my advice to you would be to follow the same pattern. Hence the order of my list.
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby n0creativity » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:17 pm

Definitely add me to the list that would prefer to have Veeam handle ALL of our backups. Email, Sharepoint, and OneDrive data. I don't really want to use 2 ro 3 different products to handle all of those things.

After a small issue with clearing out the old preview build and installing GA, so far so good! I was actually quite surprised at how fast it was able to backup the mailboxes. Most of the comparable products I tested were significantly slower.
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:24 pm

Thanks David!

Please note we are aware of your additional requests and are researching as we speak (no promises, you know me by now :-)). Is it possible to share with me the numbers on your backup? You can PM me those if you don't want to share them on the forum

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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby n0creativity » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:27 pm

No problem.
Initial run on GA.

Mailboxes: 307 of 312
Duration: 7 hours and 15 minutes
Total Transferred: 141.43 GB (1,472,360 items processed)
Processing rate: 5.55 MB/s (56 items/s)
Read rate: 1.34 MB/s
Write rate: 63.20 MB/s

The five failed mailboxes had the following errors:

11/29/2016 9:26:46 PM :: Processing mailbox mbox1 failed with error: Failed to synchronize item changes. The remote name could not be resolved: 'outlook.office365.com'

11/29/2016 9:27:33 PM :: Processing mailbox mbox2 failed with error: Failed to synchronize item changes. The remote name could not be resolved: 'outlook.office365.com'

11/29/2016 11:09:55 PM :: Processing mailbox mbox3 failed with error: Failed to synchronize item changes. The remote name could not be resolved: 'outlook.office365.com'

11/29/2016 11:27:51 PM :: Processing mailbox mbox4 failed with error: Failed to synchronize item changes. The underlying connection was closed: A connection that was expected to be kept alive was closed by the server.. Unable to read data from the transport connection: An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.. An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host

11/30/2016 1:31:27 AM :: Processing mailbox mbox5 failed with error: Failed to get folders. Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Immediately after the initial job finished, it automatically re-ran the backup for those 5 failed mailboxes and they completed successfully with the following:
Mailboxes: 5 of 5
Duration: 1 hour and 21 minutes
Total Transferred: 6.22 GB (61,996 items processed)
Processing rate: 1.30 MB/s (12 items/s)
Read rate: 1.10 MB/s
Write rate: 77.07 MB/s


Hope that helps
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Deckers » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:57 pm

I would also love to see this product expand to include OneDrive and SharePoint. I honestly thought it would do more than email until I installed it. The product name is a little misleading as is.
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:51 am

David,

It helps a lot! Thanks for letting me know. I also would live to see the next run (incrementals) if possible. This question is actually for everyone... I would love to see some numbers please :-)
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:52 am

Kyle,

Understood. Yes, the name did say Office but from day 1 we were thinking about growing this product at a certain point in time and changing the name every version didn't seem to be a good idea ;-).
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby n0creativity » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:44 pm

Mike Resseler wrote:David,

It helps a lot! Thanks for letting me know. I also would live to see the next run (incrementals) if possible. This question is actually for everyone... I would love to see some numbers please :-)


Incremental run - 11.30.2016 @ 5:00 pm - No Errors
Mailboxes: 313 of 313 (yes we added a new mailbox today)
Duration: 23 minutes
Total Transferred: 985.96 MB (7,489 items processed)
Processing rate: 708.26 KB/s (5 items/s)
Read rate: 516.67 KB/s
Write rate: 49.82 MB/s


The processing and read rates dropped significantly, but I would expect that to happen. Microsoft really didn't make Exchange Online very backup friendly. The fact you have to impersonate each user... well it's just never gonna be "fast".
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby Daveknl » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:00 am

+1 for the Onedrive for Business backup feature.
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Re: Feature Request - Backup of Office 365 Sharepoint

Veeam Logoby HannesK » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:37 am

+1 for OneDrive and SharePoint from a partner
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