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Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by rscurrah » Oct 03, 2018 5:06 pm

We would like to see the option to save backups to a secondary location (e.g. tape) in Veeam Backup for Microsoft Office 365.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Polina » Oct 03, 2018 5:16 pm

Hi Rich,

Your request is noted.
You may also be interested to review this thread.

Thanks!

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by kyle.manel » Oct 03, 2018 7:45 pm 1 person likes this post

Hi,

As a security professional myself, I have really appreciated Veeam software until I began using Office 365 Backups provided by Veeam.

This product is badly designed;
Any security implementer worth his wage will require both onsite and offsite backups for valuable information. This will require copying the backup files from a local store provided on the server operating Veeam backup for Office 365 AS WELL AS at least one remote site.

I can't believe this has not been identified by a company that creates backup software, though I can acknowledge it may have had a lower priority for development.

With that in mind, how can I find any worth in my backups if they are not capable of being replicated to prevent a loss due to failure.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by kyle.manel » Oct 03, 2018 7:52 pm

In any case here is the deal, I need to be able to copy the backup files so that contents can be recovered with appropriate system keys.
Can this be done (in a recoverable way) by;
Stopping the Veeam Backup for Office 365, and then copying the files (through a vpn/secure transport) to a remote site?
In cases of failure;
In such a way that I can activate these backups through a re-installed application?
In cases of remote access;
By activating the copied file when it is returned to a local directory on the Veeam Office 365 server itself?

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by kyle.manel » Oct 03, 2018 7:58 pm

I have Veeam B&R is there any way to use its repositories with Veeam Office 365 Backup?

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by robjohnston » Oct 04, 2018 1:57 am

Hi everyone, There is a bit of a long winded response to this based on the way we store our Backups for O365 as we store these backups in a live running JetBlue DB format, i.e a living breathing DB vs in VBK,VIB format that we do in VBR, but just a heads up, for Offsite copies of VBO 365, we can co-exist Veeam backup for O365 and Veeam Backup and Replication for customers looking for offsite copies of their O365 backups to help meet the 3-2-1 rule. With Veeam backup and Replication we can protect the Virtualized or Physical instances of VBO O365 on Prem with VBR or via Veeam Agents, replicate them to a secondary location using Veeam replication and or schedule/backup these VM's to another Disk stage and then either off to tape, Cloud Connect Repo's etc even Object (9.5 U4 functionality due Q4 this year) Using the Explorers for Exch, SP we can then recover these from any tier. You will need to license per VM for the Servers in VBR However if you are not using VBR in your production environment. Alternatively If you are housing your O365 backups in AWS EC2 with EBS, we can leverage Cloud Protection manager as a part of our Veeam Availability for AWS and also protect these via N2W for application aware snapshots and Geo redundancy across AWS, and off to S3. Please reach out to your friendly neighbourhood Veeam Systems Engineer, who can architect the best solution for your requirements. We cannot point VBO365 primary backups to Existing Veeam Repositories at this stage, but using the above scenario we can send secondary copies via Backup Copy jobs to any Veeam Repository. Hopefully this helps.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by realsuperskye » Oct 12, 2018 9:07 pm

Rob, I am also wondering for this suggestion, if a separate VBO Repository server is used, should this also be included in backup using Veeam B&R or VAW (With AAP or VSS used for JetBlue live DB)?

I am guessing this would also be needed for full redundancy, but not sure how to best handle this as well in this sort of scenario.

I am working with an active case (03179491) who is looking for the best way to handle this as well, and just making sure to cover any bases here and that the restore scenario for this from tape makes sense and would actually work as intended.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Mike Resseler » Oct 15, 2018 8:33 am

Let me clarify some things with the above responses.

VBO can indeed be protected by our agents or by Veeam Backup & Replication. The advantage is:
* You can recover the entire service when it goes down
* You can indeed apply the 3-2-1 rule
* From VBR, you can still do item-level recovery since VBR will recognize the backup as a VBO instance and give you the possibility to use the Veeam explorers on it, without the need of recovering the entire VM or physical server.

So from my point of view best practices, you will protect the VBO service with VBR and then do a copy backup job to another location (tape/ secondary datacenter/ soon cloud...). It gives you still ILR (so rather fast recoveries from the second copy) and a good way to restore the entire service in case it breaks.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by kyle.manel » Oct 15, 2018 4:17 pm

Sorry, I am a little unclear still;
ENVIRONMENT: VBO and VBR are co-located on the same server.
I have a backup copy of Office 365, provided by the VBO app.
This app has been configured with the proxy provided by VBO.
This app completes successfully.

~ I am now, still, stuck on how to get this off-site.

I have tried:
Creating a copy of the files within VBR, by creating a server backup job to the Veeam server itself;
Source: VBO backup repo BASE-DIR // Destination VBR backup repo BASE-DIR
Reviewed [BACKUP INRFASTRUCTURE > Managed Servers > Microsoft Windows > Veeam Server] to rescan.
Started backup of the Office 365 directory.
~This returns the following report items;
Waiting for rescan job Rescan of AGENT] veeam.* - O365 - complete
Unable to process veeam.*: host rescan is required
Nothing to process

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Mike Resseler » Oct 16, 2018 7:40 am

Kyle,

I'm afraid if the VBO and VBR are installed on the same server, the method doesn't work. If they are at the same server, you can't backup VBO with VBR. I will ask someone (give me some time to find the answer) if you can do it with the agents on such a server

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by kyle.manel » Oct 16, 2018 5:35 pm

I'm not set to any specific solution, provided that I can automate the replication of Office 365 backups to an external location.

Though it would be necessary for this method to provide encryption for the transmittal.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Mike Resseler » Oct 17, 2018 7:32 am

Then I would move the VBO server separate from the VBR server and use VBR to replicate the VM. encryption will be delivered through VBR

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by kyle.manel » Oct 17, 2018 12:59 pm

That's the last-case solution I will employ if an agent is not applicable, as Veeam software, excluding agents, doesn't run on Linux, and Windows provides a fair amount of needless pampering, I would prefer to utilize as few Windows machines as possible in my infrastructure.
TLDR; I would like to know if an agent can be used to resolve this issue, before moving forward.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Polina » Nov 08, 2018 2:05 pm

Kyle,

With Agent Backup job, it's possible to back up an either entire VBO server or its repository folder specifically. To have an application-item restore from such backup, you can use FLR and a manual mount of the database.

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by n2v » Apr 07, 2019 4:38 pm

Hello friends,

Carrying on when you guys left off... I have a similar issue and new to VBO.

I have created three Backup Repositories: Mailbox_Repo, OneDrive_Repo, Sharepoint_Repo

I want the following retention polices:

Daily for 31 Days
Monthly for 12 Months
Yearly for 7 Years

How can i implement these when VBO has limited Retention schemes please? Or even better, what would you recommend?

Should I use VBR to make a backup of the Repositories for the above retentions? (But then, how can you import these back into VBO and view them using the explorer?)

Your help and advice is greatly appreciated .

Thank you

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Mike Resseler » Apr 08, 2019 8:45 am

Andrew,

Please see your other thread with ideas

Mike

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by WolfgangK » Apr 08, 2019 2:11 pm 1 person likes this post

Hi!
Having the same issue that I need the VBO backups stored to secondary target/tape. Setup is B&R and VBO installed on one server, following test was successful:
1. Backuped the VBO-Repo Folder via B&R Tapejob to File.
2. For testing I deleted the original VBO-Repo.
3. "Explore" option in VBO is now inactive.
3. Restored the folders "2018" and "2019" from tape into a new created folder names "Testrestore VBO".
4. Added a new Backup repo in VBO and choosed the "Testrestore VBO" folder.
5. VBO recognizes that it's VBO backupdata in the folders 2018/2019 (even checked automatically that it's snapshot-based with retention of 1 year) and the "explore" option is active again and restore of single mailbox item worked.

BR

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Re: Secondary Target for Office 365 Backups

Post by Mike Resseler » Apr 08, 2019 7:02 pm

Hey WolfgangK,

First: Welcome to the forums!
Second: thanks a lot for your procedure, I am sure many will find this useful!

Cheers
Mike

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