Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

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Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby Moebius » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:47 am

Hi all,
I'm almost sure this has already been covered but can't find any relevant discussion. How can I run SB on backup copy files? I am doing backup copies on an onsite NAS. If I create a dummy backup job and try to map it to the existing backup copy file it says it's already mapped to the backup copy job and asks if I want to change the mapping. I guess the correct answer is no.
So do I have to set up a separate Veeam server just for this?
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:38 am

Hi, the idea is that you verify backups at source (before copying them). Backup Copy job has built-in integrity check that ensure the copy is bit-identical, so there is no need to perform full recovery verification of copied backups again, given that you have already verified their recoverability at source.
Also, the best practice backup architecture includes fast "primary" backup storage, and slower "secondary" storage (with lower cost per TB). As such, unlike primary backup storage, secondary storage will not usually have enough "horse power" to run the VMs off backup files. This is also why we don't expect users to be performing recovery verification of the backup copy "target" backup, so the ability to add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job was not tested, and is disabled in the user interface to avoid potential bugs. Thanks!
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:33 pm

Lucio, you're probably referring to this thread, however, as Anton has already mentioned, a recommended approach includes verification of backups before sending them offsite.
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby Moebius » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:47 pm

Fair enough, thanks Anton and Foggy.
Just for the sake of curiosity though: referring to my 1st post above, what happens if I changed the mapping of the backup copy files to the dummy backup job? Would the backup copy job stop working then?
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:57 pm

It will create a new folder on target and start copying entire restore point a new.
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[MERGED] : SureBackup Application groups & Backup Copy Files

Veeam Logoby AFCUIT » Tue May 20, 2014 9:44 pm

Veeam Support - Case # 00571614

Today, I discovered that SureBackup Application Groups are incapable of adding/importing VMs from a backup copy file; which really throws a wrench into testing during a disaster recovery scenario. To clarify, we have our main production Veeam server in California and another Veeam server in Oregon. The nightly backups are ran on the production server and then copied to the Oregon server using File Backup Copy.

For DR testing, we would like the ability to create a sand boxed environment in Oregon using SureBackup Application Groups and the Backup Copy files. This is a necessary test to confirm that the dependencies between the DC, Mail, Database, application, and Web servers are intact and able to communicate and function properly when restoring from backup copy files.

A Veeam Support technician verified that the Veeam console has no native ability to include backup copy files into SureBackup Application groups. We understand that this is apparently a purposeful design choice by the developers given the general intent of backup copy; however, it would very beneficial if we could create the sandbox in Oregon using the backup copy files.

Is there a way to make this work?

Thank you.
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Re: SureBackup Application groups & Backup Copy Files

Veeam Logoby nefes » Wed May 21, 2014 8:01 am

There is some workaround, you can find it here: powershell-f26/map-backup-comman-t19927.html#p99096
However I should mention, that sequence is officially not supported, we recommend to run SureBackup before sending files to offsite.
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Wed May 21, 2014 8:41 am

Hi, Russ, please see explanation provided above by Anton; should clarify the situation with SureBackup and backup copy job support. As to the workaround, you can use the one mentioned by Nikita. Thanks.
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby AFCUIT » Wed May 21, 2014 6:32 pm

Thank you everyone for the replies.

I would like to take a step back to explain what it is we are trying to accomplish.

In our DR site, we would like to test our backups, at will, in a sandboxed environment to validate the integrity of the backup files (Backup Copy Files) and if using SureBackup and Application Groups are not possible; is there another way we can do this using the Veeam Backup Copy files?

I do understand validating the backups in SureBackup on the production side before the Backup Copy Files are transported to the DR site; BUT...the question is, did anything happen to the files during the transport? This is why it is important to test in a sandbox in the DR site.

Thank you.
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Thu May 22, 2014 8:52 am

I do understand validating the backups in SureBackup on the production side before the Backup Copy Files are transported to the DR site; BUT...the question is, did anything happen to the files during the transport?

In order to prevent such issues the backup copy job has built-in integrity check, using which it makes sure that target restore point in bit identical to the source one. So, once the recoverability of source backups is verified, you do not need it to re-verify it at the remote location. Backup Copy will ensure the copy is bit-identical to the verified source. Thanks!
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby StrangeWill » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:55 pm

Ack, I'm using BackupCopy jobs to copy a backup for testing environments so that they don't depend on our larger slower storage pool (and also storage for performance instead of compression).

I guess I could use a file copy job and import the backup files...
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[MERGED] Feature Request: let SureBackup verify Backup Copy

Veeam Logoby jking » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:26 pm

I noticed when I run a SureBackup job manually and select a restore point that I'm unable to use recovery points from Backup Copy jobs. We use Backup Copy jobs for long-term retention and would like to be able to verify the monthly backups that we're storing. If this functionality can be added in the future it would be a big help.
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby foggy » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:10 am

Jared, basically we recommend to verify backups before archiving/sending them offsite with backup copy jobs, please see above for details. Anyway, thanks for the feedback!
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby jking » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:08 pm

foggy wrote:Jared, basically we recommend to verify backups before archiving/sending them offsite with backup copy jobs, please see above for details. Anyway, thanks for the feedback!


Foggy, I understand your reasoning for recommending we verify the backups before we make a copy of them, but it doesn't work well for us unfortunately. We want to make sure we're verifying the restore point that we'll be setting aside for monthly archival, and the only way to guarantee that is to run the SureBackup job on the same day the backup is created. Case in point: backups from the first Sunday of the month are archived, and SureBackup jobs are scheduled for the first Monday of the month. If the first Monday of the month is the 1st, we'll be verifying the backup of the last Sunday of the month, not the correct one.

We can obviously use a specific day of the month instead of the first Sunday, but we also want to schedule SureBackup jobs for a specific day of the week so we can run manual verification tests. The easiest way I can see to fix this scenario is to allow for us to verify backup copy jobs (which we don't store offsite) but if you can see another way to solve this please let me know.
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Re: Add a Backup Copy Job in the SureBackup job

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:18 am

How about triggering SureBackup jobs as a post-job activity task? The script could also contain code to verify whether it is the correct day to run backup verification (i.e. the backup job was started on the first Sunday of the month).
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