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Advice Need on how to Setup Archival Backup Copy Jobs
I need someone to help me understand Backup Copy jobs. I have been using BackupExec for 16 years and Veeam for about 7 months and i am ashamed to say i need someone to hold my hand on this part of Veeam.
Here is what I have:
Hyper-V cluster with about 35 VMs. Veeam is installed on a member of the cluster with two volumes mapped via iSCSI and 10GB ethernet to two NAS devices. Each NAS has a single 36TB array formatted in ReFS. One volume for Daily backups and one volume to be used for Archival backups. Each VM has a backup job that runs 1x a day with 14 restore points. (I will probably up this to 30 restore points as I have lots of free space). Backups start each night around 6pm and end around 11pm. Synthetic full backups are created on Sundays and backup health checks run on Saturdays.
What i want:
To create backup copy jobs for each VM to retain a years worth of monthly backups and 7 years worth of yearly backups on my second NAS device. The monthly job should copy the last backup made from the month before. So the backup copy job that runs on Feb 1 should copy the backups made on Jan 31 to the archival backup location. The yearly backup job should run on Jan 1st and copy the backups from Dec 31 .
While this seems very simple, i can't figure out how to set this job up.
For example, what do i choose on the very first tab for the copy every setting? It says it controls how often backup copies are created so i would assume i would want to set this to every 30 days? however, since it doesn't give you a chance to pick when this starts maybe i should be setting it to every 1 day? How does this setting relate to the restore points to keep option? For example what would be the effect of setting this to every 1 day, restore points to 0, and keep additional restore points to 11 for months for 7 for years? Vs setting copy to every 30 days, restore points to 11, and keep additional points to 0 for everything but 7 years? It also won't let me set the restore points to keep to anything less than 2, so if the copy job runs every 1 days, it looks like i forced to have at least 2 daily backups there? This copy every X setting is really messing with my head. If i set it to copy every 30 days, and start the job today on the 18th, i will end up with a bunch of monthly backups that are done on the 18th of every month (or around there since it is every 30 days) and also a bunch of monthly ones from the keep additional option. This is crazy.
And for the keep additional restore points option, should months be set to 11 or 12? 12 would seem the obvious answer but then wouldn't the yearly backup actually be the 12th monthly?
Are there advantages to picking the VMs as the source over picking the backup job of the VM as the source? I would assume picking the VM might be better because if later i delete or recreated the backup job of that VM, the backup copy job wouldn't need to be adjusted?
We are approaching the end of the year so i would really like to have my jobs made and ready to go for the yearly backup job. I would really appreciate some guidance here.
Here is what I have:
Hyper-V cluster with about 35 VMs. Veeam is installed on a member of the cluster with two volumes mapped via iSCSI and 10GB ethernet to two NAS devices. Each NAS has a single 36TB array formatted in ReFS. One volume for Daily backups and one volume to be used for Archival backups. Each VM has a backup job that runs 1x a day with 14 restore points. (I will probably up this to 30 restore points as I have lots of free space). Backups start each night around 6pm and end around 11pm. Synthetic full backups are created on Sundays and backup health checks run on Saturdays.
What i want:
To create backup copy jobs for each VM to retain a years worth of monthly backups and 7 years worth of yearly backups on my second NAS device. The monthly job should copy the last backup made from the month before. So the backup copy job that runs on Feb 1 should copy the backups made on Jan 31 to the archival backup location. The yearly backup job should run on Jan 1st and copy the backups from Dec 31 .
While this seems very simple, i can't figure out how to set this job up.
For example, what do i choose on the very first tab for the copy every setting? It says it controls how often backup copies are created so i would assume i would want to set this to every 30 days? however, since it doesn't give you a chance to pick when this starts maybe i should be setting it to every 1 day? How does this setting relate to the restore points to keep option? For example what would be the effect of setting this to every 1 day, restore points to 0, and keep additional restore points to 11 for months for 7 for years? Vs setting copy to every 30 days, restore points to 11, and keep additional points to 0 for everything but 7 years? It also won't let me set the restore points to keep to anything less than 2, so if the copy job runs every 1 days, it looks like i forced to have at least 2 daily backups there? This copy every X setting is really messing with my head. If i set it to copy every 30 days, and start the job today on the 18th, i will end up with a bunch of monthly backups that are done on the 18th of every month (or around there since it is every 30 days) and also a bunch of monthly ones from the keep additional option. This is crazy.
And for the keep additional restore points option, should months be set to 11 or 12? 12 would seem the obvious answer but then wouldn't the yearly backup actually be the 12th monthly?
Are there advantages to picking the VMs as the source over picking the backup job of the VM as the source? I would assume picking the VM might be better because if later i delete or recreated the backup job of that VM, the backup copy job wouldn't need to be adjusted?
We are approaching the end of the year so i would really like to have my jobs made and ready to go for the yearly backup job. I would really appreciate some guidance here.
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Re: Advice Need on how to Setup Archival Backup Copy Jobs
Hi Karl,
Do you need the monthly and yearly backups contain the VM state of the exact date (last day of the month/year)? Then I'd set the copy interval to 1 day, the number of restore points to keep to a minimum value of 2 restore points and set the required number of GFS restore points - 12 monthly and 7 yearly. If they happen to occur on the same day, the same restore point will be marked both as monthly and yearly.
Also, I'd suggest enabling per-VM chains on the repository and put all the source jobs in a single backup copy job for ease of management.
Do you need the monthly and yearly backups contain the VM state of the exact date (last day of the month/year)? Then I'd set the copy interval to 1 day, the number of restore points to keep to a minimum value of 2 restore points and set the required number of GFS restore points - 12 monthly and 7 yearly. If they happen to occur on the same day, the same restore point will be marked both as monthly and yearly.
Also, I'd suggest enabling per-VM chains on the repository and put all the source jobs in a single backup copy job for ease of management.
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Re: Advice Need on how to Setup Archival Backup Copy Jobs
Hi Foggy. Thanks for the reply. If i set the copy interval to 1 day and the value of 2 restore points i end up with a 2 copies of the daily backups on my archive volume. That's not what i want.
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Re: Advice Need on how to Setup Archival Backup Copy Jobs
It seems like this would be possible to do with a backup copy job if the number of restore points to keep could be set to 0 and the copy every interval was set to 1 day with GFS set to 12 monthly and 7 yearly. But you can't set restore points to 0.
I also thought of making a backup job, not a backup copy job, that would run on the first day of each month then setting the restore points to keep to 12. That would cover my monthly backups. The problem with this plan is it is another backup and therefore places load on my host to do a backup/snapshot whereas the copy doesn't do that. I would also need another backup job set to run on the 1st day of January and set the retention to 7 restore points. I think this would ultimately work but it would mean having 3 jobs per VM, or 75 Jobs total. Seems a little ridiculous.
I also thought of making a backup job, not a backup copy job, that would run on the first day of each month then setting the restore points to keep to 12. That would cover my monthly backups. The problem with this plan is it is another backup and therefore places load on my host to do a backup/snapshot whereas the copy doesn't do that. I would also need another backup job set to run on the 1st day of January and set the retention to 7 restore points. I think this would ultimately work but it would mean having 3 jobs per VM, or 75 Jobs total. Seems a little ridiculous.
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Re: Advice Need on how to Setup Archival Backup Copy Jobs
Then I suggest waiting for the upcoming v10 release, it will provide some new GFS retention related capabilities.
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