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Advise: Hourly Forward Incrementals to CC

Veeam Logoby CloudMSP » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:51 am

This is what we are currently trying to implement at every one of our MSP clients.

1. Dell T20 (E3 proc) with 2 or 4 WD RED NAS Drives in MIRROR mode with Windows Storage Spaces as the BR server at each client location.
2. Hourly forward forever incremental backups from 6 AM to 7 PM M-F. Retain 120 restore points locally (about two weeks).
3. Seeded to our Cloud Connect Server NIGHTLY keeping the last 7 restore points (7 days).

It seems to work so far but at some clients I'm seeing merging take too long sometimes, sometimes the merge takes more than an hour so it misses its next hourly incremental.

Another issue I'm seeing right now is that a merge is now going on 30+ hours at 63% (it was previously interrupted if that matters).

I just realized that in the first issue the backup is actually going to a Synology doing CIFS and the second issue its to an attached USB 2 device (G Data). Two separate customer and issues.

Ultimately I'm asking is if I stick to the 1,2,3 I've outlined above, is this the right way to go about it? Do I need to still do active fulls or other backups to prevent corruption. Is my setup good enough for synthetic fulls, or is that even a good idea? I was reading in other threats that you might want to run an active full periodically because the chain can get corrupt , but how does that help the cloudconnect chain, it would still be going forever inc based on the seed right?

Please help. Thanks.
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Re: Advise: Hourly Forward Incrementals to CC

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:56 pm

CloudMSP wrote:I just realized that in the first issue the backup is actually going to a Synology doing CIFS and the second issue its to an attached USB 2 device (G Data). Two separate customer and issues.

Both are not quite fast repositories in terms of I/O, have you tried to back up to some ordinary Windows box for performance test?

CloudMSP wrote:Ultimately I'm asking is if I stick to the 1,2,3 I've outlined above, is this the right way to go about it? Do I need to still do active fulls or other backups to prevent corruption. Is my setup good enough for synthetic fulls, or is that even a good idea? I was reading in other threats that you might want to run an active full periodically because the chain can get corrupt , but how does that help the cloudconnect chain, it would still be going forever inc based on the seed right?

Here's a good thread on this matter, please review.
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Re: Advise: Hourly Forward Incrementals to CC

Veeam Logoby CloudMSP » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:37 am

CloudMSP wrote:Ultimately I'm asking is if I stick to the 1,2,3 I've outlined above, is this the right way to go about it? Do I need to still do active fulls or other backups to prevent corruption. Is my setup good enough for synthetic fulls, or is that even a good idea? I was reading in other threats that you might want to run an active full periodically because the chain can get corrupt , but how does that help the cloudconnect chain, it would still be going forever inc based on the seed right?
Here's a good thread on this matter, please review.


I just read the threads thanks, but still I need guidance. My chains are 120+ long because I want two weeks of hourly backups on my local BDR forward forever. Nightly they are sent to cloudconnect to create a chain of 7 dailies.

If this 120 chain gets corrupted, my offsite will also be corrupt?
Does the cloudconnect ever need re-seeding?
Should surebackup be ran on the cloudconnect side as well ? (doesn't seem feasible for me)
With surebackup a 120+ chain should be no worry at all?

It's a big pain to seed the backups to CC if that's ever required, that is a problem for me.
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Re: Advise: Hourly Forward Incrementals to CC

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:08 pm

If you use SureBackup to make sure your local backups are recoverable and health checks on the backup copy jobs to the cloud repository, you can be sure they are also fine.
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