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Backint for SAP HANA "Veeam-Features" like BackupCopy

Post by DaStivi » Feb 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Hello there,
i'm in an POC or better said FeatureMatrix/usability fight with Dataprotector on how Veeam SAP Hana BackInt Plugin works…

As HannesK statet here: post313444.html#p313444 the Backint Backup Files from SAP Hana are Veeam proprietary files (VAB) i also see that there must be some compression or whatsoever gooing on, fine on that so far…

what i miss, i don't see easily where These files reside, i mean: i've got an SOBR with 8 extents, and the vab files are somewhere… i've to search them via the filebrowser… i'm not able to view them via normal Backups/disk view under the home tab!

i understand that Veeam hosts really the backup repository only, not exactly as we still see a backup Job Status at least...
what brings me to my 2nd fight with Dataprotector, the Backup Admin told me with dataprotector its possible to determine the Retention Period on what backups are retained! i'm not sure on this, because backint (as rman for Oracle) is: "let the DB Admins do the backupjobs" from this Approach i full understand that Veeam can't bother the Retention period… ?!

3rd thing whats left (also some Dataprotector feature), it Looks like its not possible todo a backupcopy of the saphana backint files, i guess its like the Retention Thing, when Veeam does some backupcopy, SAP Hana Studio won't know that in theyr own managed Catalog, i'm not sure if it would be possible for the Veeam Plugin to parse the backupcopy files also through the Plugin into hana Studio... at least it would propably be possible to Import them manually when requierd…

another possibilty would simply be that it's a Policy to have all Backup Sets at least double retained somewhere in different datacenters (not really needed that sap Studio is Aware of the 2nd copy in the first place)

Besides these small Questions the sap hana admins are quite happy on how the Veeam SAP Hana backint Plugin works! :)

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Re: Backint for SAP HANA "Veeam-Features" like BackupCopy

Post by Gostev » Feb 15, 2019 1:37 pm

Hi, Stephan - thanks for your feedback. I know we're already working on #3, and I will let the PM behind this offering comment on the rest. Thanks!

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Re: Backint for SAP HANA "Veeam-Features" like BackupCopy

Post by p.sartorius » Feb 22, 2019 9:33 am

Hello, we want to leave our TSM backup solution for SAP HANA and see the same issues. Without a backupcopy, tapeintegration or cloudcopy we can't go to production.

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Re: Backint for SAP HANA "Veeam-Features" like BackupCopy

Post by Andreas Neufert » Feb 22, 2019 6:23 pm

Backup file. We pack the SAP and RMAN backup files into our format to apply compression dedup and additional metadata to them.

For example you can later import them to another veeam server and the import will add the metadata back to our database.

That said you can copy them arround as any other veeam backup file with storage replication, file 2 tape jobs and any other copy method. As Anton said we are looking into a better copy method for upcoming version.
Regarding naming. We create a job object per server with hostname and repository name. The folder in the repository or sobr extend has same name. By nature of SOBR we spread the backup file across extends, so you need to copy the folder with the jobname from all extends to have a complete copy. As I said we will make this more useful in next version.

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Re: Backint for SAP HANA "Veeam-Features" like BackupCopy

Post by Andreas Neufert » Feb 22, 2019 6:27 pm

Regarding retention, as the goal of first version was to give the DBA full control of the backup process, he can delete old restore points as needed. You can find examples in our documentation. https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backu ... l?ver=95u4

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