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Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by dropped91 » Feb 02, 2017 1:00 pm

Hi,

I configured on our Branch Office a forever incremental Backup Job with Active Full on saturday (Every Saturday: Active Full; during the week: incremental)

Now I want to configure a Backup Copy Job to our Headquarters that runs on wednesday and copy ONLY the latest Full Backup. I don't need the incremental Backups at our Headquarters from the Branch Office.


How can I do that?

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by dropped91 » Feb 02, 2017 2:56 pm

Hi,

So if I outstood it right, I doesn't have any chance to ignore the incremenatal backups?


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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by DGrinev » Feb 02, 2017 3:21 pm

Hi,

The backup copy job does not just copy, backup files, this feature creates a separate backup chain and copy most recent state of VMs from the source repository.
You can enable GFS retention in the backup copy job and configure it to keep weekly backups on Wednesday and retain as many as you need, also it is important to enable active full (select the “Read the entire restore point from source…” check box).
So if I outstood it right, I doesn't have any chance to ignore the incremenatal backups?
There is a possible workaround for you to use file copy job.

Thanks!

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by ChuckS42 » May 31, 2017 10:07 pm

I'm working this issue myself, in conjunction with a new Veeam Agent for Windows implementation. I have month-end backups that we keep for a year, and year-end backups we keep for seven years, for certain physical servers. I plan on creating these with Backup Copy Jobs. I plan to run the job once per month, with GFS retention set to keep 12 monthlies and seven yearlies. With this configuration,what should I see with regards to incrementals getting caught by the job? What should I set "Restore points to keep" to?

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by DGrinev » Jun 01, 2017 5:11 pm

Hi Chuck,

You will see as many incremental files as you will set by simple retention policy.
For example, you set it to 7 restore points to keep with daily interval, then you will see 1 .vbk and 6 .vib backup files.
As for GFS retention policy it will retain monthly and yearly backups as you want it to.

You can set the backup interval to 30 days and retention policy to keep 2 restore points.
This way the copy job will move full backup on the initial run and one increment every 30 days followed by injection of previous one.
Retention of the regular chain is not that important since you need GFS restore points only.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by ChuckS42 » Jun 19, 2017 9:23 pm

Hmm, one thing is that our monthly and yearly backups are to be done on a specific time and day of the month. In that case I'm not sure a 30-day backup copy interval will cover it, since not all months have 30 days.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by EugeneD » Jun 07, 2019 7:33 am

Hello!
Is there any plans on making possible to disable simple retention policy with copy job settings? Or a setting to include only Full Backups to simple retention. Or both :-)
My example: I backup VMs with regular backup jobs and since regular backup job has no GFS settings, I use Backup Copy Job with GFS settings to retain monthly, quarterly, yearly full backups and i simple does not need simple retention with Copy Backup Job. For me it is just waste of disk space (we do not have Data Domain & etc unfortunately).
May be it will be nice to be able turn on and off simple retention in GFS job.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by foggy » Jun 07, 2019 1:43 pm

Hi Eugene, for now, you can set simple retention in backup copy job to a minimum value of 2 restore points. The good news is that we're working on GFS for regular jobs.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by EugeneD » Jun 10, 2019 6:35 am

Hi, foggy!
Yes, that news is good, but for now unfortunately Backup Copy Job starts every backup chain with full backup from Weeky/Monthly/Quarterly/Yearly and then continues that backup chain with daily incrementals. And setting two copies for daily makes no sense because no Full backup between weekly backups === no new backup chain and a pile of incrementals until new full backup. Backup Copy Job have no settings for periodic full for daily copy.

My test Backup Copy job settings:
Restore points to keep: 2
Checked: Keep the following restore points as full backups ...
Weekly: 4
Monthly: 0
Quarterly: 0
Yearly: 0
Checked: Read the entire restore point from source backup ...

Am I doing something wrong?

PS: My goal was to have a copy of weekly backups separeated from regular backup job and upload this copies to cloud storage with Scale Out Repository. For now the Scale Out repository does not upload Full backup if there is a chain of icrementals that depend on this full backup and a side effect of a pile of incrementals that i do not need.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by foggy » Jun 10, 2019 12:19 pm

If you clear the 'Read from source..." check box, restore points will be created synthetically on target and backup copy job will maintain the number of restore points in the chain specified in the simple retention setting ('Restore points to keep: 2').

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by EugeneD » Jun 10, 2019 1:22 pm

Thanks, foggy, unchecking the 'Read from source..." check box worked and daily restore points are forever forward incremental now with its own backup chain.
Erlier I tried to make additional full backup with source backup job and I was thinking that thanks to 'Read from source..." check box Backup Copy job will take the full backup into daily backups but it does not.

As I see, Backup Copy Job with GFS is working this way:
If 'Read from source..." check box is checked then Weekly/Monthly/Quarterly/Yearly backups are taken from Full backups from source regular backup job and daily backups are synthesized as incrementals regardless of full backups in source backup job and regardless of numer of copies specified.

If 'Read from source..." check box is unchecked then daily backups are in forever forward incremental mode with specified number of copies, and there is one question: when the next weekly backup time will come, what will be the next weekly backup:
a) synthetic full restore point from previous synthetic dailys
or
b) full backup copied from source regular backup job taking to account that regular backup job will perform active full several hours before next copy job scan period.

I mean that like topic starter i want to retain "real" full backups for long term archiving purpose. This can be achieved with 'Read from source..." check box but we have problem with dailys.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by foggy » Jun 10, 2019 1:38 pm

Not actually as you described, please review this user guide section for the detailed explanation.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by EugeneD » Jun 11, 2019 5:21 am

Hi, foggy!
Thanks for link to user guide. I will try to automatically change 'Read from source..." check box for than Backup Copy Job via powershell. The idea is to check it right before regular backup job weekly active full so backup copy job can copy active full backup and uncheck it next day for continuous dailys cleanup until next week.

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by veremin » Jun 11, 2019 10:36 am

In this case it might be easier to execute active full backup for backup copy job. Execute it once a week via PowerShell. Thanks!

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Re: Backup Copy Job: Copy only Full Backups

Post by EugeneD » Jun 11, 2019 12:09 pm

Hello, Vladimir!
I think I've already tried this but incremental was created by Backup Copy Job. I will doublecheck Active Full for Backup Copy Job if my script will not work.

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