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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby kte » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:13 pm

how did you restore 1,5 TB in 2 hours??
what is you're backups storage like?? ith a proxy VM or instant recovery?

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:33 pm

Ah ok, I'm talking with an EMC fanboi...

I quoted those storage arrays because Veeam always told (and makes perfect sense for them) storage snapshots are going to be supported on a market share base, and all those storages are well used among customers. Thankfully there is not only EMC around.
And honestly, if you like to compare to a Compellent, obviously its more expensive than a low-level vnx5100. Compare it to a 5500 or 5700. (Compellent Copilot support is known to be one of the best around btw).

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:38 pm

kte wrote:how did you restore 1,5 TB in 2 hours??
what is you're backups storage like?? ith a proxy VM or instant recovery?K


Doing maths, 1500000 MB in 7200 seconds, that is 208 MBps. Regardless what is the backup storage, that speed restoring into a P2000 G3 ???

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby Peejay62 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:48 pm

This thread is almost ending up being a poll of which will be the next supported storage array for snapshot integration.. As a lot of people are putting in their thoughts on this one, what about IBM XIV? perfect example of redirect on write snapshot capability, solid vendor and big marketshare.. IBM V7000 would be welcome too.
But, i think the challenge lies within the level of granularity the hardware snapshot functionality offers. For example looking at a V7000 this happens volume-based. A volume might hold a complete datastor which might be holding a lot of vm's. I think this isn't gonna work or at least isn't going to be very practical at all. imagine a job with just one vm to process, enforcing a hardware snapshot for a complete volume.
As most storage arrays perform snapshot on a volume based level, I wonder about the real useability of the snapshot integration. Sure it can come in handy, but in my opinion it will bring along a lot of management effort to make effective use of it..
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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:52 am

Not sure I get the issue, Peter.
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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:09 pm

Peter, you can always aggregate VMs that you want to backup via storage snapshots on some LUNs, and have only specific backup jobs taking advatange of this feature. The fact you can use storage snapshots does not means you have to.
We use this feature, but only for the most critical VMs (exchange, SQL....), we used storage vmotion to move them in some specific datastores, and that's it.
Obviously, a snapshot at the VM level is more efficient and granular than a snap of the whole LUN, but is nothing different than use the native snapshots coming with the storage array.

As all the features, even Storage Snapshots requires (at least some) planning.

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby Peejay62 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:49 pm

Gostev wrote:Not sure I get the issue, Peter.


I am merely pointing out that from a managementperspective it will need more effort and will be difficult making effective use of the whole storage snapshotting and managing your backups. Just as an example: I choose to use the integrated hardware snapshotting. As Luca states, you can always group certain machines that you want to process on specific luns. Well, you do that and I think that will be a solid use case for using storage snapshot. But, you get some kind of dedicated luns..limits you making effective use of your whole storagecapacity.
Then for whatever reason a vm gets storage vmotioned away from that lun or another machine not wanting to be storage snapshotted gets moved onto that lun. In case of a vm being moved away to another lun (but it had use storage snapshot set to on) this can result in a failing snapshot (for example on v7000 where you have to predefine "flashcopytargets" for the snapshot(flashcopy) process). I totally agree, it also requires planning but it also will work very restrictive using the feature. Not saying that it isn't a great feature, indeed, Veeam it is and thanks for that and hopefully one of our arrays will be supported soon.
It are yust some thoughts i have on that matter.

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:00 pm 2 people like this post

A quick trick to avoid unwanted storage vmotion (already used internally): create storage profiles based on snapshots capabilities, and apply the profile to the VMs you want to protect with storage snapshots. In this way you can still have Storage DRS, and guarantee at the same time the target LUN is still usable with this feature.

For sure Veeam cannot solve design/operational limits of a given storage :P

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby NightBird » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:23 pm

kte wrote:how did you restore 1,5 TB in 2 hours??
what is you're backups storage like?? ith a proxy VM or instant recovery?

K


Don't forget that most of the VMDKs are not full of data ;) and Veeam in restoration process skip empty block.
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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby NightBird » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:25 pm

dellock6 wrote:Ah ok, I'm talking with an EMC fanboi...

I quoted those storage arrays because Veeam always told (and makes perfect sense for them) storage snapshots are going to be supported on a market share base, and all those storages are well used among customers. Thankfully there is not only EMC around.
And honestly, if you like to compare to a Compellent, obviously its more expensive than a low-level vnx5100. Compare it to a 5500 or 5700. (Compellent Copilot support is known to be one of the best around btw).

Luca.


Agree, but all customers don't need VNX 5500 or 5700 horse power...
Your talking to an EMC fanboy, but you are a Compellent one ;)

And what do you think about the new VNX2 line ? VNX 5200 5400 5600 and so on ;)
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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:08 pm 1 person likes this post

Ah, not at all, not a Compellent fan. Tiering made on a 24 hrs cycle sounds pretty useless to me, it makes usage of fast tiers pretty useless for spike activities. Real time tiering is the only viable solution, like in the new StoreVirtual VSA 11 or other new gen storages .
If you want to tell me I'm a fan of something, quote Leftand - Nutanix - Nimble and such :)

New VNX2 sounds nice, they finally admitted single thread processors were no more useful. But I'm not a fan in general of monolythic arrays, I prefer scale-out storage systems.
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[MERGED] : Feature request: Storage snapshots for equallogic

Veeam Logoby toni » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:01 pm

Love veeam, have many, many sockets, would love to see Dell EqualLogic Storge snapshot support to reduce load on our hosts and improve backup times. :)

Thanks :)

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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby gakecs » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:02 pm

I think iSCSI support for HP 3PAR Storeservs is a must. It really is the better solution. The storage snapshot integration for this is the only thing keeping me from really feeling like my Veeam infrastructure is completed. My StoreServ 7200 would really love some integration to bring my backup speeds below 4 hours.
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Re: Integration with Storage Snapshots : Vendor Roadmap

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:39 pm 1 person likes this post

We are now planning to add iSCSI connectivity support for HP 3PAR Storeserv down the road, based on all the feedback we have received in the past few months.
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[MERGED] B&R integration with Nimble CS arrays?

Veeam Logoby bcunningham » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:47 pm

Any ETA or is it even on the short list?
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