NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby pirx » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:18 am

Well, we asked different vendors for a new backup concept and also software and hardware offers. The outcome was Veeam + NetApp for VM's and an other product + NetApp for DB's and physical servers. Both software vendors were involved in this process. None said that NetApp would be a bad choice.
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby Didi7 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:21 am

Of course! Who would admit that NetApp is a bad choice? Sadly, you have to make your own experiences!
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby pirx » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:51 am

Yes, sure. But the amount of data and VMs were given to the vendors, so the new backup environment must be able to back this up in the given time frame. Or they can pick up their hardware (at least in therory...). Let's see what happens, I also know Veeam customerst that are happy with their NetApp's as backup target, so it (hoefully) can't be that bad.
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby Didi7 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:12 am

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I also know Veeam customerst that are happy with their NetApp's as backup target, so it (hoefully) can't be that bad.

Well, it depends on with what they are satiesfied already ;)
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby Didi7 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:24 am

@pirx

How did you check the performance here ...

veeam-backup-replication-f2/netapp-backup-target-smb-or-blockstorage-t38077.html#p214536

What tool did you use?
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby pirx » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:32 am

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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby Didi7 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:34 am

Ok, thanks.
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby pirx » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:18 am

I performed some test backups with Veeam (forward), not sure if I have the optimal settings for the backup repository (any links for NetApp as SMB target?). But I get ~120 MB/s for an active full.

Load: Source 95%, Proxy 13%, Network 8%, Target 10%.
Primary bottelneck: Source

Not unexpected, given that we had major performance problems in our IBM SVC environment in the past (we use too much compression and too many SATA drives in our tiering setup).
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Re: NetApp Backup Target, SMB or Blockstorage?

Veeam Logoby pirx » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:20 am

Didi7 wrote:In all those different threads, I always wondered why Veeam (which works closely with storage vendors to enable Storage Snapshots in VBR) never took position to explain the poor performance using NetApp devices with VBR.

Some users even switched to direct SAN access with 10GBit/s SAN HBA's, but performance was still limited to 100MB/s. Really, I can't uderstand why other vendors significantly exceed those transfer rates. Some users here talk about nearly 1000MB/s transfer rates over SAN.


We are currently running our first full backups and performance is limited by our IBM SVC SAN not NetApp backup storage. During backup copy jobs we see throughput of ~ 750MB/s read and 350 MB/s write for one Job (NetApp A -> NetApp B) and 340 MB/s read and 180 MB/s write for a second job (NetApp B -> NetApp A). I think that is not too bad for backups to aggregates of large SATA Disks.
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