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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby aagrapart » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:57 pm

Hi,

I am also really impatient that AHV be supported by Veeam B&R for the VM backups. We love Veeam but if our customers demand continues to grow we will be forced to sell an AHV compliant product...

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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby Yannis » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:02 pm

Hi,
+1 for Nutanix Acropolis support ! Please :)
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby jame » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:24 pm

Many of my customers using actually Nutanix+vSphere+Veeam, they are all waiting Veeam to support AHV to mooving away from VMware. With last announcement from Nutanix with CBT-like API for AHV, lots of backup solution announced they will support AHV in short time. It is strange that a leading company like Veeam on backup market, didn't announced something like that (and seems to not want to go to this market).
Maybe money save from VMware will permit customers to go to a more inovative backup solution like Commvault or Rubrik.
I'll really hope Veeam will announce something shortly.
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:02 pm 4 people like this post

Don't get this post as a harsh comment, but I know a bit the pricing that Nutanix solutions have, and how much is the VMware licensing, so what is the overall savings of moving from one solution to the other?

If it's license savings, plus the will at the same time to keep Veeam, customers can go even today with Hyper-V, since it is fully supported by both Nutanix and Veeam. And from an architecture standpoint, it avoids at the same time a lock-in in a proprietary solution. A different reasoning would be if you tell me that AHV has some features that are needed by customers and that VMware has not, but I only keep reading that the reason is to save on VMware licensing...
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby markus_kujala » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:13 pm

Hi dellock6,

I'm an SE at Nutanix, and I've seen both cases from this thread several times:
1) Customers want to go to AHV and are looking for a great backup solution at the same time, and currently the strongest contender is Commvault
and
2) Customers already have VMware + Veeam, and will move to AHV, but would like to keep the Veeam solution if possible.

License savings is one reason they want to go to AHV, but it is not the only one. Another reason is the ease of use associated with AHV. The Nutanix platform + AHV combination honestly is much simpler to use than other hypervisors. If you haven't seen it, I can show it to you over a 15 min webex (or visit our booth at a tradeshow where we both are present, for example). Switching ESX for Hyper-V does not include this benefit. Some might even argue it's a step in the wrong direction.

Another reason is support -- if you go to AHV, your whole stack (storage, servers, hypervisor) are made by the same vendor and supported by them. Sure, we support customers running other hypervisors as well, but we can't, for example, fix software bugs in the other hypervisors.

Some customers also want to specifically avoid going to Hyper-V for various reasons. And yes, the hypervisor cost is a real reason as well for many.

If you don't mind my asking, why would Veeam NOT want to support AHV? I understand you need to "sell what's on the truck", ie offer the solutions that work right now, I would do the same. But if you look at this thread, it might also make sense to add AHV to the near term roadmap? I believe it would benefit both companies, and it's difficult to see a downside for anyone? The business is there to pay for the software development required.
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:53 pm

markus_kujala wrote:If you don't mind my asking, why would Veeam NOT want to support AHV?

Purely business considerations (current AHV market share and growth numbers). Since you're from Nutanix, just ask around internally for some sales figures ;)
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[MERGED] Re: Is Veeam doing anything in KVM space?

Veeam Logoby twlytle » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:27 pm

As a long time Veeam customer I would request that Veeam re-thinks it's position regarding Nutanix. Like Veeam, Nutanix is a great product. Any product that helps IT this much should be taken seriously. One thing to think about is Nutanix is not an inexpensive option. So the argument that "nobody would spend money on Veeam if they are using KVM or Nutanix is false in my opinion. The other point I would like to make is that With Nutanix, best practices still apply, the need for a backup solution still exists. Another point Veeam is missing, there is a lot of angst in regards to VMware's licensing and VMware's unwillingness to fix licensing errors (even when it is VMware's fault). If Veeam supported Nutanix's Accroplis, it would find that there would be a much faster adoption of KVM/Nutanix. Just think, the money saved on VMware licenses would enable more nodes and more Veeam licenses! It's a win, win!

Final word, no, I do not work for Nutanix. I am both a Veeam and Nutanix customer.

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Re: [MERGED] Re: Is Veeam doing anything in KVM space?

Veeam Logoby nmdange » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:59 pm 1 person likes this post

Seriously look at Hyper-V, it's awesome and works with Nutanix and Veeam :mrgreen:
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby ChuckS42 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:42 pm

+1 for AHV support by Veeam.
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby markus_kujala » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:37 pm

Gostev wrote:Purely business considerations (current AHV market share and growth numbers). Since you're from Nutanix, just ask around internally for some sales figures ;)

I believe the point many here are trying to make is, that if Veeam supported AHV, it would bring significant additional growth for both products. At least that is what it looks like out here on the field.
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:49 am

Sure, I understand that. But if you compare ROI of this feature to ROI of other features of similar scale we're currently building, AHV support stands no chance at this time. If as a developer you had a choice of building a condominium in Manhattan or in some small upstate city at the same cost to you, what would you choose?
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby virtuozzi » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:07 am

As far as i can tell, most customers need a stable hypervisor, ha and maybe DRS. Since KVM is being pushed by the community, red hat, projects like openstack etc. and finally AHV, the hypervisor itself becomes more and more taken for granted. There's a big chance that virtualizaton will be perceived "built-in" soon in every pc, not to mention on server hardware.

Veeam would miss a great chance to be one of the first and most versatile provider of backup solutions, which have been missing in the OSS sector for a long time.
But maybe that's the point, that some circles don't want OSS/kvm/openstack to take this leap... :P
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:34 pm 2 people like this post

I gotta admit I am having déjà vu reading your post, as it so reminds me of the similar pitch for XEN Server support here about 5 years ago. I am so happy we did not distract ourselves for adding support for that one, unlike some of our competition - who ended up being "one of the first" with a useless solution.

Let's wait and see if KVM does any better ;)
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby romx » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:23 am

Disclaimer: a Nutanix employee here.
Just believe me, It's not an organized rally here in this forum thread :)
Our installed base just doubled in 2016 and we awaiting for more in 2017 (https://yadi.sk/i/ivsPkZejzD585).
I know the situation with Veeam releases and planned features, so I can just ask Veeam to pay a bit more attention to AHV in your future realises. Our custmers base will grow and wast majority of our customers LOVE Veeam B&R (your support team too!) and like to stay with Veeam as their backup solution.
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Re: Nutanix AHV

Veeam Logoby d.bonini » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:26 am

cuchanski wrote:+1 for this feature request.
Will look to migrate our cloud environment once Veeam can support AHV backup / existing tool set.

+1 for me
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