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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:04 pm

Now you need to re-use existing backup files with a backup job. Once you do it, just schedule synthetic full with transform on a desired day.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:55 pm

You do not need a second VBR server in the DR site, create the new backup repository within your production VBR instead. Then, specify the new repository as a target for your job and map it to the copied backup files - starting from the next run all synthetic backup activity will occur on the repository in the remote site.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby jp34 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:31 am

Vitaliy S. wrote:Now you need to re-use existing backup files with a backup job. Once you do it, just schedule synthetic full with transform on a desired day.

I see I can schedule a synthetic full on a day, but can I choose when (hh:mm) on this day ? can I launch it manually ?

foggy wrote:You do not need a second VBR server in the DR site, create the new backup repository within your production VBR instead. Then, specify the new repository as a target for your job and map it to the copied backup files - starting from the next run all synthetic backup activity will occur on the repository in the remote site.

I want to keep the production job running locally (full synthetic on sunday and incremental each week day) AND I'd like to do a synthetic full every day on DR site (after the daily copy of the vib file from production to DR site). Is it possible ?
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:00 am

jp34 wrote:I see I can schedule a synthetic full on a day, but can I choose when (hh:mm) on this day ? can I launch it manually ?

Synthetic backup cannot be launched manually, as it is triggered right after your incremental job pass.
jp34 wrote:I want to keep the production job running locally (full synthetic on sunday and incremental each week day) AND I'd like to do a synthetic full every day on DR site (after the daily copy of the vib file from production to DR site). Is it possible ?

For that you need to create two similar backup jobs and point them to different backup repositories. In this case, you will have two synthetic backups on the main and on DR site.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby jp34 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:46 am

In production VBR, I can create 2 jobs, one pointing to a local repository, the other one to the DR repository. Ok.
But I'm afraid that the job to the DR repository consums a lot of bandwidth:
- it would have to compare local changes (occured in the VM) to the remote last full synthetic (read/receive all bytes of the remote vbk). Right ?
- it would have to read the entire remote full synthetic and remote vib (read/receive all bytes of the remote vbk + vbi) to generate the new full synthetic (write/send all bytes of the new remote vbk). Right ?
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby foggy » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:55 pm

This job will only transfer the changes over link between sites. The changes are calculated with the help of Change Block Tracking or (in case it is not available) using the metadata stored along with the backup (.VBM file, which is an order of magnitude smaller than the actual .VBK). So no need to "read/receive all bytes of the remote vbk". All synthetic full activity will occur locally in the DR, so no need to "read/receive all bytes of the remote vbk + vbi" and "write/send all bytes of the new remote vbk".
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby jp34 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:30 pm

Changes has been transfered to the remote repository (vib through network) and then full sythetic generation on DR site doesn't consume any bandwidth.
It's perfect.

To sum up:

On production site:
- Veeam has been installed
- A incremental backup job with full synthetic has been created and launched -> 1 vbk file created
- The backup job is launched one more time -> 1 vbi file created

On DR site:
- A DR repository has been created (Veeam Transport service installed on remote computer)
- vbm, vbk and vib files have been copied from production repository to DR repository
- DR repository has been rescanned -> backup imported
- A new job has been created: same source VM, DR repository, incremental with full synthetic, mapped to DR repository

Result:
A great backup solution with minimum bandwidth consumption and local and remote full (synthetic) backups.

Thank you all.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby npoIT » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:35 pm

A while ago Gustav posted a response which said "In V6" - did that ever happen and if so, exactly what were you referring to?

Having a utility (ideally linux-based) which can create a synthetic full on a remote site using an "additional" incremental file synced from the primary would greatly simplify creating a DR copy offsite.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby foggy » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:31 am

stevil wrote:reading another thread backup using WAN storrage and synthetic full question it seems as though the answer is to use Linux as a target at the remote end. The agent does all the hard work converting the synthetic backups. I've yet to try this, but it seems to be the answer, assuming you have linux skills. the thread also mentions that this will be available on Windows at some point (!)

"In v6" was referred to the last statement in this quote: VBR6 now allows to implement forever-incremental backup with synthetic fulls assembled locally on the Windows backup target.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby fvdkroon » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:36 pm

jp34 wrote:Changes has been transfered to the remote repository (vib through network) and then full sythetic generation on DR site doesn't consume any bandwidth.
It's perfect.

To sum up:

On production site:
- Veeam has been installed
- A incremental backup job with full synthetic has been created and launched -> 1 vbk file created
- The backup job is launched one more time -> 1 vbi file created

On DR site:
- A DR repository has been created (Veeam Transport service installed on remote computer)
- vbm, vbk and vib files have been copied from production repository to DR repository
- DR repository has been rescanned -> backup imported
- A new job has been created: same source VM, DR repository, incremental with full synthetic, mapped to DR repository

Result:
A great backup solution with minimum bandwidth consumption and local and remote full (synthetic) backups.

Thank you all.


I've been reading this post with great interresest because we have the same "problem". The above solution sounds great, but does this mean that 2 mainly identical jobs run each night, so each VM is being back-uped twice. Once for the local site and once for the remote? The backup window increases with 100% if this is true.

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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:01 pm

If there are two destination targets/backup repositories, then yes, you will have to run two backup jobs. However there is another way to sync your backup files with an offsite location. Please search these forums for rsync usage examples. Thanks!
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[MERGED] Is it possible to create a new vbk outside of a bac

Veeam Logoby hobbit » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:13 am

Hello,

is it somehow possible to create a new vbk from an existing vbk and several vib´s in the backup repository? I know I can do this in a backup job by selecting the synthetic full on day X option, but can I do somehow do this without running an actual backup?

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Re: Is it possible to create a new vbk outside of a backup j

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:29 am

As far as I’m concerned, there are no ways to manually create synthetic full backup. The only available option is to choose particular days in the advanced settings to create synthetic full backup.

Furthermore, so far there have been no well-known PowerShell scripts for doing it either.

Hope this helps.
Thanks.
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Re: Is it possible to create a new vbk outside of a backup j

Veeam Logoby Ben Milligan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:59 pm

Vladimir is correct, there is no current way to do this outside of running the aforementioned full.
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[MERGED] Running synthetic fulls apart from backup job

Veeam Logoby zoltank » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:04 pm

Is there any way to run a synthetic full aside from running a backup job?

For our backup Veeam server I only run backups over the weekend, and I want it to create synthetic fulls during the week without running a backup job. Is there anyway to do this?
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