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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby hobbit » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:00 am

Backup Copys is not the only reason I asked for a standalone Synthetic Full Utility. The other is tight backup windows.

Say you want to run synthetic fulls at a certain point in time with this setup:

3 Backup-Jobs, each taking ~1 hour for creating an incremental + another ~4 hours each for creating synthetic fulls using these incrementals.

Currently this means:
1 hour reading from production-servers for job1 , 4 hours creating synth full for job 1, 1 hour reading from production for job2, 4 hours creating synth full for job 2,
1 hour reading from production-servers for job3 , 4 hours creating synth full for job 3.
So I need access to the production storage for a total of 1+4+1+4+1=11 hours. The last data being read 11 hours after backup window starts. Afterwards another 4 hours without the need to access production storage.

With a standalone synthetic full utility (or job type) I could instead run:
1 hour for incrementals job1 + 1 hour for incrementals job2 + 1 hour for incrementals job3 = 3 hours access to production storage
after that
4 hours synth full job1 + 4 hours synth full job2 + 4 hours synth full job3 = 12 hours, but this can happen outside of the backup window.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:19 am

Why are you running the jobs sequentially, and not in parallel?
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby hobbit » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:54 pm

The jobs read from the same disk array (production storage) and write to the same disk array (backup storage).
My assumption was that running multiple jobs in parallel which access the same set of disks would be much slower than reading and writing the data sequentially, because the jobs interfere with each other.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:21 pm

Well, this really depends on the performances of the underlying storage system, you cannot know this without trying.
Even if the bottleneck on the job is source, it does not mean the storage cannot run faster by supporting multiple backup jobs. It's worth to try.

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[MERGED] Job Retry Tools - Request

Veeam Logoby dualdj1 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:24 am

I'd like to request some other tools for retrying of jobs. Specifically, in regards to the more advanced tools such as synthetic backups retry, vrb creation retry, etc. I'm sure there are ways to do this currently, but nothing as simple as right clicking a job, and getting an option to retry the synthetic creation, or even just a "create synthetic" tool, to have a new full point up to and including a specific incremental point. Also, a retry transform previous into rollbacks tool selecting a specific full as a starting point.

The create synthetic, could also be similarly used in the Backup Copy section for archiving, to do a simple "create monthly", "create yearly", etc. Just giving the user the power to choose the current run as the point in time to use. As it's difficult to easily test how the archiving will work out over a long period when converting a production environment, these tools would be very useful.

I realize these aren't necessarily easy features, but I hope that they can be considered for the development roadmap.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby foggy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:04 pm

Jason, thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby dualdj1 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:31 pm

You are welcome, thanks for reviewing it.

After looking a bit more, I would also suggest that these features (if possible) be added in the properties window of the backups (under Backup and Replication -> Backups -> Disk -> right click job name -> properties). It seems a natural fit, as you can highlight to select the corresponding point in time to work with, and then add buttons for the corresponding functions.

Again appreciate your time looking into this possibility.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:33 am

If one day we decide to implement such functionality, we will consider this as a natural place to put it in UI. ;)
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby dualdj1 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:00 pm

Thanks!
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[MERGED] Standalone Transform Job

Veeam Logoby dualdj1 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:15 pm

As a feature suggestion, it would be great to be able to schedule transform jobs separately from backup jobs. I would like to be able to have all my backup jobs finish running, before any incrementals start, yet still only allow a limited number of jobs to be active at a time on a repository. Currently, transform has to finish before another job can use repository. It would be nice to be able to run backups, then schedule transforms for later in the day.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:37 am

Hi, Jason, if you're after "synthetic full on demand" functionality, this script might be useful for you. This script still requires incremental backup run, though, with this script you can synthetic full backup at whatever time you want to, bypassing existing schedule.

Thanks.
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[MERGED] Transform only job

Veeam Logoby dualdj1 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:12 pm

Is there any way to force a transform of a backup chain, WITHOUT performing a backup? I have a job for systems that can only be run over the weekends, however it ran late and did not transform the backup chain. I need to be able to manually roll the backups forward without touching the machines (ie don't backup, no snapshots, etc). Previously we had to perform a backup in order to transform...
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby dualdj1 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:11 pm

I forgot about this topic, so consider this a bump. Unfortunately I can't run an incremental right now, and really need the full point moved forward. The transform is run as a "last step" to the job, I don't see why it'd be hard to split out that functionality and provide a separate interface to simply transform a chain, and not have to run a backup. I've had many many times that it would be useful. I understand that this is a feature request, so potentially not a quick fix, but I'd like to request that this be checked out in case it's as simple as exposing a function through powershell, etc. I'm completely fine with a powershell command and not a gui interface.
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Re: Offsite Incremental to Synthetic Full Utility

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:32 pm

Often features seem easier to implement then they really are. Anyway, thanks for the feedback, your request is counted.
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[MERGED] convert 1 full and 30 incrementals to 31 full?

Veeam Logoby AntonZ » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:54 pm

Hi guys!
I have a set of files from regular backup job (1 vbk and 30 vib incrementals only). I can import them to Veeam and recover VMs from ANY time point (by the way, US support told me that it is impossible without vbm file as incrementals will be unreadable - not true!).
What I need to do is to convert all incrementals to fulls. I'm sure Veeam can do it (as it does it every time when it creates synthetic full), but is it possible somehow to do it with already existing files? Any hidden PS commands (like here is "full" and here is "next incremental" => please, create a synthetic full for me)?
Same question for GFS backup job (the settings of GFS job were changed and Veeam started a VM copy job from scratch. Now I have an old GFS folder, with which I cannot do anything -> need to create all fulls instead of incrementals).
Thanks!
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