Rotated hard drives support in v8

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Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby cladmonitor » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:26 pm

I was under the impression these settings were migrated into the UI for v8, though I can't find them, can we safely assume that the reg keys still work? Also, when do you plan on moving these settings into a per-job attribute?

[GOSTEV] Rotated drives support in previous versions
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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Veeam Logoby Shestakov » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:52 am

Rotated drives functionality can now be enabled with a checkbox in the advanced backup repository settings, as opposed to being controlled by registry settings (which are still supported for upgrade compatibility reasons).
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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Veeam Logoby VladV » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:32 pm

Does ForceDeleteBackupFiles reg key work in v8 or was it integrated in the UI like ForceCreateMissingVBK has.
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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:41 pm

The key works as in previous version not to change the product behavior after v8 upgrade, however it was not integrated into UI.
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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:11 pm

As of B&R 8.0, rotated drives functionality can now be enabled with a check box in the advanced backup repository settings, as opposed to being controlled by ForceCreateMissingVBK registry settings (which, however, is still supported for upgrade compatibility reasons).

ForceDeleteBackupFiles reg key also works as before, not to change the product behavior after v8 upgrade. However, we strongly recommend deleting this key, because backup files clean up is now integrated, and is done automatically for all Veeam backup files which are no longer under retention policy (see v8 What's New document).

Additionally, v8 backup jobs now track known external hard drives, and "follow" them transparently in case drive letter changes, instead of failing.
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[MERGED] Rotated hard drives in v8

Veeam Logoby robg » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:05 pm

"This repository is backed by rotated hard drives"

is a new option I assume for v8, meaning the registry change is no longer necessary. Would this mean that if I were to use RDX removable media for offsite backup storage, I need to turn this option on and pretty much that's it?
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Re: Rotated hard drives in v8

Veeam Logoby Shestakov » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:22 pm

Hello Rob,
Correct, rotated drives functionality can now be enabled with a checkbox in the advanced backup repository settings.
Please review the topic where your post has been merged and ask additional questions if you have any. Thanks.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby Roberto » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:21 am

We see this funtionality on "veeam backup 8 whats new". This is very useful. But what about reinserting media on weekly basis ? example: we have set of RDX media for week1 and set of RDX media for week2. When we insert set for week1 (first run = clean media) B&R with Backup Copy Job do a full backup on these media and incremental from start to end of week. Next week we insert set for week2 (first run = clean media), again B&R with some Backup Copy Job do a full backup on these media, and incremental from start to end of week. on week 3 we insert again week1. How new retated hard drives support manage this scenario ? can read from repository not present for a week and continue from that point, doing incremental instead of deleting or creating new full backup from scratch and losing restore points history on disk section on Veeam B&R interface ? namely, can manage RDX device somehow intelligent or advanced ?
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:07 pm

How new retated hard drives support manage this scenario?

Since some increments are missing, a new full backup will be created. Thanks.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby Roberto » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:49 am

So if we create n jobs: one for each RDX set with correct schedule, jobs find its chain and continue without doing a full backup ?
ex:
job1 for week1 (starting at next week and so only every 2 weeks)
job2 for week2 (starting after week1 and so only every 2 weeks)

Cannot Veeam B&R add a feature doing this automatically as complete and independent backup chain are always present on RDX. So doing incremental from last full and incremental chain present on RDX ?
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:54 pm

Roberto wrote:So if we create n jobs: one for each RDX set with correct schedule, jobs find its chain and continue without doing a full backup ?

Correct. That's another approach of using rotated drives.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby Roberto » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:06 am

We done a new test. Veeam B&R v8 does not create a full backup at alternate week RDX set insertion as supposed. At least today, we leave on RDX directories in place containing BCJ files from week 24-30/11/2014 and BCJ with new Rotated Hard Drives management done a incremental backup starting from last incremental found, probably reading from .vbm file. We have also done working Instant Recovery test on new restore point (10/12/2014) and old restore point (at 29/11/2014).

Below restore point file list showing this new restore point on 10/12/2014, also on Veeam B&R console we see all restore point on Backup -> Disk section.

10/12/2014 02:33 269.614 bcj.prod.web.vbm
10/12/2014 02:33 188.043.751.424 bcj.prod.web2014-11-25T220000.vbk

26/11/2014 22:26 14.649.216.512 bcj.prod.web2014-11-26T220000.vib
27/11/2014 22:21 12.630.751.232 bcj.prod.web2014-11-27T220000.vib
28/11/2014 22:30 33.737.952.256 bcj.prod.web2014-11-28T220000.vib
29/11/2014 22:20 9.001.859.584 bcj.prod.web2014-11-29T220000.vib

01/12/2014 04:07 4.884.016.128 bcj.prod.web2014-11-30T220000.vib


Is this assumption correct ? Can some Veeam B&R support person confirm that this is new and correct behavior of Veeam B&R v8 and we can use this without problem ?
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:36 am

Just to confirm, is it the same job that was backing up to the previous RDX set or you have implemented the "one job per RDX set" approach?
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby Roberto » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm

Same job that was backing up to the previous RDX set ! Only one job for all weekly set. Changing RDX sets every week alternating job recognize last backup present on RDX inserted and continue from that.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:41 pm

Actually, If any incremental backups are missing from the drive that is currently attached, backup server should start a backup chain anew, creating a full backup first. Were the results of Instant VM Recovery from this newly-created increment successful? Thanks.
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