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Storage Spaces Direct just vanished from Server 2016 1709

Veeam Logoby lando_uk » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:25 am

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/18 ... es_direct/

Hmm wasn't S2D a recommended solution for Veeam just a few months ago? What now?

[EDIT] After a some more reading, this is just a core version - you wouldn't build a S2D cluster with this.
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Veeam Logoby Regnor » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:48 pm

Where did you read that only core is affected?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... 9-relnotes
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Veeam Logoby nmdange » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:10 pm

You should be using Server Core for things like Hyper-V and S2D. Presumably there is some bug in S2D that needs to be fixed in the new version. It just came out 2 days ago so I would wait for more information from Microsoft to come out before jumping to conclusions.
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Veeam Logoby nmdange » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:42 pm

Looks like it's just out of 1709 and will be back in the next Semi-Annual release https://twitter.com/WSV_GUY/status/921022521821896704
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Veeam Logoby Regnor » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:24 pm

Is it really good practise to leave something out because you've focused in something else?
Why would you ever throw something out if it's stable?
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Veeam Logoby DaveWatkins » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:01 pm 1 person likes this post

1709 is a very limited release in that it's missing both a GUI and S2D. Personally I doubt it will get any sort of widespread use since there is also no upgrade path to, or from it when using a full GUI. Given that, who wants to deploy something that will have new and different bugs but that is getting only a fraction of normal users actually using it.
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Veeam Logoby Gostev » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:26 pm

Dave is spot on. In essense, 1709 is a SAC release is heavily focused on container technologies, for anything outside of containers you probably want to stick with WS2016 until the next release. By the way, Microsoft has expanded the Release Notes for 1709 with a clarification on S2D situation > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... 9-relnotes
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Veeam Logoby lando_uk » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:58 pm

Is it only 1709 that has deduplication on ReFS?
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Veeam Logoby nmdange » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:18 pm

That is correct. You can still use 1709 for other scenarios without S2D, or you can wait for 1803 to come out.
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Veeam Logoby lando_uk » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:27 pm

It's a shambles, there's always something in the pipeline, in development, in preview with Server 2016. Its worse than open source....
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Veeam Logoby JaySt » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:03 pm

I don't get it either. I will not ask why, because they have reasons obviously (and some of them i'm probably not aware of), but it makes things complex, that's for sure. I have to make a choice for which BUILD version of a server OS to go for, depending on featureset and update cycle/branch. Simple thinking regarding "latest = greatest" isn't going to cut it anymore.
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Veeam Logoby Gostev » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:13 pm

I agree, their decision is very controversial. I assume they had to choose between the two evils. One thing this will do is paint SAC (semi-annual release channel) as an "advanced beta" channel, so to speak... I didn't think this is what Microsoft wants to happen - but this perception will be hard to change now.
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Veeam Logoby ITP-Stan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:43 am 1 person likes this post

Or a new SKU with Storage Spaces Direct and removal from the regular version of Windows Server.

Just like they do now with Windows 10 Workstation edition.
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Veeam Logoby Regnor » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:37 am

Don't let that hear Microsoft ;)
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