To ReFS or not to ReFS?

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Re: To ReFS or not to ReFS?

Veeam Logoby grimson » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:41 am

So basically this invalidates all ReFS installations in summary?
I cannot imagine any Veeam repository based solely on 'Storage Spaces' yet.
Mostly we use a HPE Proliant with the build in Smart Array Controller to create a nice array of disks (also for Hyper-V VM's)

Is it correct to assume now:
Veeam repository only supported on ReFS based on 'Storage Spaces'? (confused ;) )
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Re: To ReFS or not to ReFS?

Veeam Logoby StoneFritz » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:09 am 1 person likes this post

Did you see the last "Veeam Community Forums Digest" newsletter?

Huge news for all ReFS users! Together with many of you, we've spent countless hours discussing that strange ReFS support policy update from last year, which essentially limited ReFS to Storage Spaces and standalone disks only. So no RAID controllers, no FC or iSCSI LUNs, no nothing – just plain vanilla disks, period. As you know, I've been keeping in touch with Microsoft ReFS team on this issue all the time, translating the official WHYs they were giving me and being devil's advocate, so to speak (true MVP eh). Secretly though, I was not giving up and kept the firm push on them – just because this limitation did not make any sense to me. Still, I can never take all the credit because I know I'd still be banging my head against the wall today if one awesome guy - Andrew Hansen - did not join that Microsoft team as the new PM. He took the issue very seriously and worked diligently to get to the bottom of this, eventually clearing up what in the end appeared to be one big internal confusion that started from a single bad documentation edit.

Bottom line: ReFS is in fact fully supported on ANY storage hardware that is listed on Microsoft HCL. This includes general purpose servers with certified RAID controllers, such as Cisco S3260 (see statement under Basic Disks), as well as FC and iSCSI LUNs on SAN such as HPE Nimble (under Backup Target). What about those flush concerns we've talked about so much? These concerns are in fact 100% valid, but guess what – apparently, Microsoft storage certification process has always included the dedicated flush test tool designed to ensure this command is respected by the RAID controller, with data being protected in all scenarios – including from power loss during write – using technologies like battery-backed write cache (for example, S3260 uses supercapacitor for this purpose). Anyway - I'm super excited to see this resolved, as this was obviously a huge roadblock to ReFS proliferation.
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Re: To ReFS or not to ReFS?

Veeam Logoby doum » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:30 am

The documentation has changed no ? : ... s-overview

Backup Target

Deploying ReFS as a backup target is best suited for applications and hardware that implement their own resiliency and availability solutions.

Applications that introduce their own resiliency and availability software solutions can leverage integrity-streams, block-cloning, and the ability to scale and support large data sets.


Backup targets include the above supported configurations. Please contact application and storage array vendors for support details on Fiber Channel and iSCSI SANs. For SANs, if features such as thin provisioning, TRIM/UNMAP, or Offloaded Data Transfer (ODX) are required, NTFS must be used.
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