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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Jul 18, 2013 9:15 am

Andrew, I've merged you post into this existing discussion as it seems you are looking for the implementation of the similar scenario. Please review this thread and feel free to ask any additional questions, should they arise. Thanks.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by jroback » Jul 22, 2013 3:32 pm

We've had good luck using the high-rely 2 & 4 bay netswap plus for this (http://www.high-rely.com/hr_66/products ... swap-plus/) . These are iscsi targets that have an integrated mirroring raid controller, so VEEAM sees etiher one or two 4 TB Volumes, and the device automatically raids each 4 TB drive to another 4TB drive in realtime. We configure Veeam to backup to the 4 TB volumes as usual, with as much retention as space allows, and then we have the client eject the mirrored 4 TB drive as often as they like to send data offsite. This is a nice easy to maintain solution because the "Main" backup is alway onsite, and the offsite backup is a full-self-contained backup as well.

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[MERGED] Rotating External Hard Drives

Post by Damian Netspeed » Nov 29, 2013 9:18 am

I want to rotate 2 external hard drives for offsite backups.
What is the best way to setup a veeam backup job for this ?
Can I do it with a single job or do I need to create 2 jobs ?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Nov 29, 2013 9:23 am

Damian, single job is enough. Please see recommendations given in this thread.

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[MERGED] veeam copying .vbk files instead of replacing the o

Post by Michalis » Feb 14, 2014 2:49 pm

#case number is 00517297#

Hello,
we've purchased veeam backup & replication, version 7.0.0.764. I'am pretty new in that, so this may sound trivial, although i didn't find any relative posts in the forum. The problem, as the titles implies, is that veaam coppies the new .vbk files into the day's folder instead of replacing the old one which results in mail warnings of getting low in disk space. We are using 2 rotated external drives and there's no incremental backup policy applied. The files are been saved under the name "Friday2014-01-17T230037.vbk" for example nad there's also the relative .vbm there. Could would ask for some help with that? p.s. : Wouldn't be more appropriate to apply incremental backup?

Thank you in advance, Michalis

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Feb 14, 2014 3:57 pm

Michalis, please review the thread above for instructions on how to implement a rotated drives scenario. Basically, you need to specify a couple of registry values. Be sure to update to the latest Patch 3, as it adds full support for this scenario (registry values can be found in the patch release notes).

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[MERGED] Best strategy for circulating RDX cartridges

Post by Morgenstern » Feb 19, 2014 10:39 am

Hey guys,

I was hoping if you could advise me on the best way to carry out daily backups on the 1TB RDX cartridges.

I have five of them, one for each day. The total size of a full backup is roughly 600GB and my idea is to have that incrementaly updated once a week. For example the Monday cartridge gets an initial full, then is taken off site and brought back following Monday to be updated, then taken away again.

I need the size of this specific backup remain the same, i.e. not to grow every time a new backup cycle is run. I have set it to the Incremental with synthetic fulls (forever incremental + Transforming previous full backup chains into rollbacks). Restore points to be kept on disk are set to one.

I imagine it as a comressed copy of all vm's disks that is incrementally updated/overwritten with changes at each new cycle without any increase in size. Does it work like that?

I have other jobs designated to do proper weekly backups that aren't limited by the storage space. These RDX cartridges are only meant for keeping track of the most recent changes which are then backed up elsewhere anyway.

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Re: [MERGED] Best strategy for circulating RDX cartridges

Post by foggy » Feb 19, 2014 2:27 pm

Martin, please review the thread above for instructions on implementing the rotated drives scenario. With a single job you will be able to have a new full on each cartridge every day. If you need incrementally updated full backup on each drive, you can create several jobs, each writing exclusively on its own drive, and schedule them to run on corresponding days.
Morgenstern wrote:I need the size of this specific backup remain the same, i.e. not to grow every time a new backup cycle is run.
VBK file will most likely grow, since the new data will occupy new blocks rather than replace existing ones.
Morgenstern wrote:I have set it to the Incremental with synthetic fulls (forever incremental + Transforming previous full backup chains into rollbacks). Restore points to be kept on disk are set to one.
No need to enable transform here as the chain will contain a single restore point only.

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Re: [MERGED] Best strategy for circulating RDX cartridges

Post by Morgenstern » Feb 19, 2014 3:21 pm

foggy wrote:If you need incrementally updated full backup on each drive, you can create several jobs, each writing exclusively on its own drive, and schedule them to run on corresponding days.
I am already doing this. I have a separate job set up for each RDX cartridge.
foggy wrote:VBK file will most likely grow, since the new data will occupy new blocks rather than replace existing ones.
So is there no way of getting veeam to delete the older data to avoid going over the storage capacity? It seems that this way, when the disk runs out of space I will have to create a new backup job, because the old one won't work if I delete any of the old data manually.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Feb 19, 2014 3:45 pm

With Veeam B&R v7 patch 3, you can configure (via registry) automatic cleanup of the drive before writing to it, however in this case active full backup will be performed during each job run (not incremental, as you're asking for).

However, what I'm talking about is natural growth of the backup file due to the new data generated inside VM guest OS (unless it is a pretty static VM, not producing any considerable new data).

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Feb 19, 2014 4:10 pm

foggy wrote:With Veeam B&R v7 patch 3, you can configure (via registry) automatic cleanup of the drive before writing to it, however in this case active full backup will be performed during each job run (not incremental, as you're asking for).

However, what I'm talking about is natural growth of the backup file due to the new data generated inside VM guest OS (unless it is a pretty static VM, not producing any considerable new data).
I can live with having a full backup instead of incremental one. I will end up having a backup for each day anyway. So do I just install the patch and rectreate all jobs from scratch? Or do I keep the existing ones with the forever incremental + full backup + 1 restore point scheme?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Feb 19, 2014 4:16 pm 1 person likes this post

You can leave you current jobs, however be sure to specify the registry keys described in the patch release notes and restart the Veeam B&R console. Also, with the said registry modification you can go with just a single job, it will detect the drive change, cleanup the repository, and perform full backup.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Feb 19, 2014 4:21 pm

Thanks a lot, I'll give that a try!

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Feb 19, 2014 5:05 pm

foggy wrote:You can leave you current jobs, however be sure to specify the registry keys described in the patch release notes and restart the Veeam B&R console. Also, with the said registry modification you can go with just a single job, it will detect the drive change, cleanup the repository, and perform full backup.
Sorry to sound a bit dull, but do those registry keys get created and enabled automatically when I install the patch? Or do I need to use regedit to create them afterwards? If the latter is the case, could you please give me the full path for both?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Feb 19, 2014 6:09 pm

You should create those keys manually under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Veeam\Veeam Backup and Replication hive.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Feb 20, 2014 9:33 am

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Erik » Feb 20, 2014 7:16 pm

I updated Registry keys, created a new folder on a new drive shared with the same name and drive letter and the process seems to work. I notice that when I swap drives, it creates a new VBK file (Doing reverse incremental) - which is not a surprise. However, when I go to restore a VM, it only shows me one restore point, when the other drives had 13 days of backups on it? Am I doing something wrong?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Vitaliy S. » Feb 20, 2014 7:37 pm

Hi Erik,

You're doing it right. You don't see older restore points, because the storage containing those was removed. B&R cannot know if it is going to come back ever, so it cleans up the configuration database immediately. To restore VMs from older restore points, you need to plug the removed hard drive back in, and import the backup files to get their contents appear as available restore points.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by veremin » Feb 21, 2014 9:01 am

Hi, Erik,

Do the drives in question have any distinguishing factor, like ID, internal name, etc., using which you can separate them from to the other? I'm wondering, since you can, probably, write a custom PowerShell script in order to have a required visibility across restore points.

Specified as post job activity, the script will track the job end time, as well as, the ID of currently inserted drive and, then, write corresponding information to the specified file. (Something like, "Restore point created at 7/16/2013 20:05:12 resides on Drive #12309").

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Mar 04, 2014 10:46 am

Hey guys,

I am wondering if you could help me out with some details on my daily backups on rotated RDX drives. After installing and setting up the latest patch, the job I have set up creates a new full every night. This job is set to only hold one restore point.I thought this would be fine for restoring stuff from any day of the past week. Unfortunately the restoring wizard only sees the most recent restore point written into the repository info and is able to restore only from the latest backup. If I insert any of the other four RDX drives I have, the restoration wizard fails with the following error:

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04/03/2014 10:05:56          Enabling backup operator privilege
04/03/2014 10:05:56          Starting file level restore
04/03/2014 10:05:56          Interactive mode
04/03/2014 10:05:56          File Level Restore started
04/03/2014 10:05:56          Mounting restore point
04/03/2014 10:05:57 Warning    File does not exist. File: [E:\RDX Daily\RDX Daily2014-03-03T183125.vbk].
                               --tr:Failed to open storage for read access. Storage: [E:\RDX Daily\RDX Daily2014-03-03T183125.vbk].
                               --tr:Cannot apply patches stored in folder [HostFS://E:\RDX Daily\RDX Daily2014-03-03T183125.vbk[699614a2-6f47-4e58-92e4-bb185d4cfdaa (12)]].
                               --tr:Failed to build restore point.
                               Failed to restore file from local backup. VFS link: [summary.xml]. Target file: [MemFs://Tar2Text]. CHMOD mask: [0].
                               --tr:Cannot process [tar2text] command. Li
04/03/2014 10:05:57 Error    MountRestorePoint failed, mountId '8570e6fa-5c02-4f06-a1bb-4d84c43eb5ac'
                             FlrManagementService: Failed to mount restore point (mountId:8570e6fa-5c02-4f06-a1bb-4d84c43eb5ac)
                             TextFromTar failed
                             Client error: File does not exist. File: [E:\RDX Daily\RDX Daily2014-03-03T183125.vbk].
                             Failed to restore file from local backup. VFS link: [summary.xml]. Target file: [MemFs://Tar2Text]. CHMOD mask: [0].
                             
04/03/2014 10:07:16 Error    Job has failed unexpectedly
Could this be resolved by raising the number of restore points from one to five (for the five RDX drives I have)? Or perhaps by creating a separate job & own repository for each day?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by veremin » Mar 04, 2014 10:53 am

H, Martin,

How did you perform restoration procedure? You imported the backup file to the backup console prior to restoring, then, initiate restoration procedure, and got the corresponding error, right?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Mar 04, 2014 11:23 am

v.Eremin wrote:How did you perform restoration procedure? You imported the backup file to the backup console prior to restoring, then, initiate restoration procedure, and got the corresponding error, right?
Hi, I did not do the impoting bit prior to restoring previously. But now that I've tried it, I am getting a "Backup already exists" message and then the same as before.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by veremin » Mar 04, 2014 11:41 am

Hmmm, this looks strange, as the references to the previous restore points should have been cleared out from configuration database.

In this case, the best option will be to open a ticket with our support team and let them confirm whether everything is setup correctly.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Mar 04, 2014 11:51 am

Okay, cheers

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Morgenstern » Mar 05, 2014 10:58 am 1 person likes this post

v.Eremin wrote:Hmmm, this looks strange, as the references to the previous restore points should have been cleared out from configuration database.
Resolved! When I was trying to import the last week’s backup using a .vbm file, I was getting a “Backup already exists” error message and then obviously the “MountRestorePoint failed”. But when I imported the .vbk file instead, it all went fine and then I was able to do a restore of a week old backup from an RDX drive.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by veremin » Mar 05, 2014 11:01 am

Most likely, copied .vbm file had references to previous restore points, thus, the import process failed. Once you imported full backup directly, everything worked as expected.

Anyway, thanks for coming back and updating the topic with the resolution; much appreciated.

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[MERGED] how to configure backup copy to external usb in 6.5

Post by dirkdigs » Mar 10, 2014 8:24 pm

I am looking to use a set of 5 external hard drives for offsite rotation of backups.

currently i have approx 10 vmware VM servers backing up to local disk.

is it possible to setup a second job and point it to external disk?

how do i keep the external usb drives in sync. is there a specific backup retention policy i should be using.

thank you.

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by Vitaliy S. » Mar 10, 2014 9:05 pm

In order to make it work with backup jobs in v6.5 you need to specify the registry key mentioned on the first pages of this thread. As to the retention policy, then you should be controlling it manually. See my previous post above for more details. Hope this helps!

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by dirkdigs » Mar 11, 2014 1:16 am

What sort of preparation is needed on the external hard drive?

Am I correct assuming that as long as when each hard drive is connected to the server that they are inheriting the same Drive letter each time that it will work??

Would you create a folder for the backups or backup to the root of the drive?

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Re: Veeam Backup & Removable Media (rotated drives)

Post by foggy » Mar 11, 2014 7:00 am

dirkdigs wrote:What sort of preparation is needed on the external hard drive?
With 6.5 you should clean up old backup files prior to running the backup job.
dirkdigs wrote:Am I correct assuming that as long as when each hard drive is connected to the server that they are inheriting the same Drive letter each time that it will work??
Yes.
dirkdigs wrote:Would you create a folder for the backups or backup to the root of the drive?
It's completely up to you, you can create a repository at any suitable path.

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