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Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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Hello, how are you?

Could you tell me in which cases should Veeam install on a Windows server or Windows 10 operating system?
if you can tell me what difference there is and what impact they could generate, or what is the best practice.
At the license level in windows there is a big difference, so I suppose the operation of Veeam would not be the same.
Thank you very much! :D

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Re: Win10 vs Win Server.

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Hi, Federico.

Until proven otherwise, I personally consider anything beyond "Windows 10 Pro for Workstations" to be an overkill for cost-sensitive environments. Both OS share the same kernel, so the premium price of Windows Server comes solely from the features and roles you will never use on a backup appliance.

Moreover, if you don't need ReFS and have just a few hundreds of VMs to protect, then you can go with the regular Windows 10 Pro (as from the relevant stuff, Workstation edition only adds ReFS and support for up to 4 server-grade processors).

I do recommend at least Pro edition of Windows 10 for the ability to postpone major updates. I have this option enabled on all of my computers, and it saved me more than once already!

Thanks!

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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For smaller environments or virtualized backup servers Windows 10 could be sufficient.
As soon as you use enterprise hardware equipment (server, HBA,RAID,...) Windows Server could be required. Either there are no drivers available for Windows client OS (which could be manually solved) or you won't get support by the OEMs.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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Does anyone have any comments to add about the affects the SAC (Semi-Annual Channel) updates to Windows 10 affect Veeam Backup & Replication 9.5?

We are a VCSP, and our preferred Windows "appliance" (Thecus W4810 or Thecus W5810 - small multi-drive appliances that run Windows Storage Server Essentials) for customer environments is EOL/EOS.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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A note on using Win10 as virtual components: from a licensing standpoint it may be more expensive to run Win10 than Server depending upon how you do your windows licensing for your VM infrastructure as running Win10 as a VM requires a VDA license in addition to the normal Windows10 license.
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skrause wrote:A note on using Win10 as virtual components: from a licensing standpoint it may be more expensive to run Win10 than Server depending upon how you do your windows licensing for your VM infrastructure as running Win10 as a VM requires a VDA license in addition to the normal Windows10 license.
Agreed. Virtualizing Windows 10 is NEVER as simple as just buying OEM or Retail licenses from Newegg or Tiger Direct (or wherever else one would purchase them from).

We don't like virtualizing Veeam B&R - it makes things more complicated in the RAID hardware failure scenario; you need storage external to the server being backed up anyway, and a QNAP or Synology cost similar to the Thecus boxes that were available.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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Doesn't windows 10 have a connection limit too? Or did they do away with that?

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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cambiumphil wrote:Does anyone have any comments to add about the affects the SAC (Semi-Annual Channel) updates to Windows 10 affect Veeam Backup & Replication 9.5?

We are a VCSP, and our preferred Windows "appliance" (Thecus W4810 or Thecus W5810 - small multi-drive appliances that run Windows Storage Server Essentials) for customer environments is EOL/EOS.
The SAC isn't an issue for us, I just set a GP to ignore feature updates for 365 days and when a feature update is supported in a Veeam release, we'll deploy it. Though using LTSC might be a more smart choice anyhow. I also have it set to manually install WU as well, so that feature can't just slide in without notice.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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I'm more concerned with finding out if people have experience with the upgrade process actually breaking something.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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No problems using SAC as long as you delay feature updates. It did break things before - but our support commitment for new platforms is "within 90 days of GA". In other words, exact same considerations here as why I recommended Pro vs. Home edition above.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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Thanks Gostev!

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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Mgamerz wrote: Sep 14, 2018 7:13 pm Doesn't windows 10 have a connection limit too? Or did they do away with that?
what do you mean with "connection limit"? are you talking about the smb-share-limit?

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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Seems to be 20: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/ ... ion-limits

This is not limited to just SMB.

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Re: Windows 10 vs Windows Server

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I didn't know that this limit was set for all incoming connections per service... BUT: AFAIK, most of the connections from the veeam-backup-server are outgoing connections (to proxies, vm's, vmware, etc.) so you should never worry about this limit...

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