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Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Luca82 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:17 am

Hi everyone, I have a question about backup-copy-job to Azure, without the use of Cloud Connect.
Suppose that I just map an azure repository as a network share on my VeeamB&R and use it as a secondary repository for my backup-copy-job. As I know, without the use of Cloud Connect, it isn't possible to granular restore unless the VeeamB&R restores the entire backup file in advance. After suppose to setup a VeeamB&R virtual machine on Azure and synchronize it with the VeeamB&R which is on-prem. Finally, suppose also to map the azure network share on the virtual machine VeeamB&R. Could it be used only for restore purposes and just in order to read the backup file directly from azure without the need to restore the entire backup on prem?
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:29 am

Hi,

I'm not sure if I completely understand it, is my understanding of your scenario this:

1. You have a B&R server on-premises and your backups are stored on a repository which is also on-premises.
2. You want to use backup copy job to a repository that is stored in Azure (and am I correct in understanding that you want to use Azure files for it?). You want to install a secondary B&R server on a VM in Azure

Am I correct?
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Luca82 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:40 am

Yes, correct. First backup on-prem; seconday backup-copy on a Azure file storage; after I want to access to that azure storage directly from a virtual machine which is on azure (close to the azure repository).
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:50 am 1 person likes this post

I assume you have a site-to-site VPN or Expressroute to Azure? This will be necessary for this scenario.

1. You can install a VM in Azure, and make that VM a repository. Not a full B&R server. The repository can be Azure files or Azure Data disks but do know that Azure files performance is not exactly that good and there are many limitations (5TB per share, max of 1 TB per file. So if you have a VBK which is over 1 TB you already will not be able to use this at this point in time. At this point in time my suggestion is still to deploy a VM with datadisks and create a repository on that one.
2. You can do this by using a backup copy job and sending that over to the repository in Azure. This actually works exactly the same as you would do it on-premises.
3. Doing restores will be the same as when you have the scenario full on-premises. On that secondary repository, there will be a backup chain so the information will be available there to do restores. Obviously your retention will depend on the retention that you have created for the BCJ's.
4. In worst case scenario, when you have lost the B&R server on-premises, all you need to do is install a clean copy of a B&R server on a VM in Azure, scan the secondary repository which is still in Azure, and you can start doing restores. Some customers have told us that they have such a B&R server "standby" to speed up things in a disaster.

I hope I make sense?

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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Luca82 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:58 am

Thank you Mike. Actually, there are several possible solutions to backup on Azure, and your seems to be the best one. What I was asking is a little bit different becouse the purpose is another.... as you well know, if we put a virtual machine and we use it as a repository, we need to mantain it always powered on (and it will be very expensive on Azure!!!), my solution aim to mantain a VeeamB&R virtual machine always poweredoff (this is why the choice to use file storage...becouse it is the only one solution to backup on azure without having a powered on virtual machine). Of course the customer will power on the azure machine just only when he needs to restore something.
Might it work?
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:31 pm 2 people like this post

Actually, this is indeed possible but there are a few downsides to it. As long as you have the connection string and the username / pwd you can map it to a server on-premises (again, you will need to have a VPN or Expressroute or similar (or open a lot of firewall ports over the internet but that would not be a good idea ;-)).

So your solution would work, but is never tested against speed / performance / how much data and so on.

To me it looks more like a scenario of StorSimple (but without the hardware) that you are trying to create and I know that some of these technologies are being worked on (on the Azure side) but I think you might be a little bit too soon for it :-). Unless of course you have a StorSimple, then it is pretty easy to do, and you can use a virtual StorSimple in case on-prem is lost to recover the data
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby pmansfield » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:28 pm

Apologies for bumping on old post, but this directly relates to something I'm looking at at the moment.

Is there any specific documentation around setting up StorSimple in Azure for use as a Backup Copy target? Do I just setup a Veeam Repo server in Azure with StorSimple providing the storage, and then create a copy job targeting the repo server?
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:46 pm 1 person likes this post

Does this article answer your requirements?
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby marieelieg » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:47 am

Hello everyone, hope you are doing well.

I have a similar case. I just want to understand correctly what has been said in this post (I don't know that much about Azure).
Basically we have 2 options:
1- Have a VM on azure which is always running. Add this VM as a windows host to Veeam server (on-premises) and configure it as a repository. Configure backups/backup copies/etc to this repository. Option 1 --> high cost.
2- No Azure VM needed. Use file storage on azure, map it to Veeam server (on-premises) and use it as repository. Configure backups/backup copies/etc to this repository. Option 2 --> limitations 5TB per share, max of 1 TB per file.

Is there anything else I'm missing?

In both cases, will I be able to do granular restores (on-premises) without the need to restore the entire backup file in advance?

Appreciate your soonest feedback.
Thank you in advance!! :D
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:37 pm

Is there anything else I'm missing?

Hybrid cloud storage such as StorSimple or similar.

2- No Azure VM needed. Use file storage on azure, map it to Veeam server (on-premises) and use it as repository. Configure backups/backup copies/etc to this repository. Option 2 --> limitations 5TB per share, max of 1 TB per file.

Based on our experience the second option works less reliably and sometimes costs even more, compared to the first option.

In both cases, will I be able to do granular restores (on-premises) without the need to restore the entire backup file in advance?

Correct.
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Luca82 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:49 pm

Just another 2 clarifications considering the scenario without virtual machines on azure:
- there are no alternatives to cifs (file) storage, if you want to map an azure storage on premise;
- can I add another option which will be available on VBR10??? The support for data repositories that are directly connected to Azure block blob storage. This will give customers all the benefits of Azure block blob storage (which costs less than cifs) without the need for an appliance and vpn.

Correct?
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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:38 pm 1 person likes this post

- there are no alternatives to cifs (file) storage, if you want to map an azure storage on premise;

If you're talking about pure Azure storage, then, yes. Otherwise (if you don't mind using Azure VM disks as storage), you can create an Azure VM, connect it to local infrastructure, using site-to-site VPN and finally assign repository role to it.

- can I add another option which will be available on VBR10???

Feature request noted.

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[MERGED] Azure Storage Sizing

Veeam Logoby Fezanator » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:26 am

Hello,

I was looking at using Microsoft Azure to store my backups (tape replacement). My understanding is that backup to Azure Blob Storage isn't available yet and the only option at this point is to use Page Blob (unmanaged disk) but can be archived to Block Blob. Question here would be more around capacity planning. Can Veeam move data to Azure storage in dedup format without using any storage gateway appliances (e.g. StorSimple, Altavault, etc.)?

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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby PTide » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:51 am

Hi Fred,

If you don't use appliance then only built-in deduplication can be applied on backups.

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Re: Backup on Azure

Veeam Logoby Luca82 » Tue May 08, 2018 3:22 pm

Sorry for bumping on my old post again... I need some clarifications about "direct restore to azure". The basic configuration is: I have a backup onpremise and I want to restore (DR) to Azure... so I firstly need to power-on the "Veeam Direct Restore to Microsoft Azure" and the "Veeam PN for Microsoft Azure" virtual machines on azure. Now I can restore (data are send from my onpremise backup repository to azure storage account) and power on the restored virtual machines on Azure. It is not possible to failback the differences from azure to onprem. Am I correct?
Suppose instead: if I have a veeam proxy virtual machine (windows machine that works as proxy and repository) on azure and do a backup copyjob to that machine (therefore my data are already on azure), can I restore with "Veeam Direct Restore to Microsoft Azure" extracting the data directly from that machine? In this manner I have my data already on azure! Is it correct?
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