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Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
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I will implement a backup infrastructure. I have some ESXi host which has some dedicated LUN through SAN. The backup server is a physical machine, and this server will be the backup proxy too. The server has direct SAN connection to SAN network. I know, when I install B&R and backup proxy the SAN Policy automatically modified to Offline Shared. Ref link: https://www.veeam.com/kb1446
What is the correct step when I add the ESXi servers or vCenter servers to Veeam? Firstly add the servers and after the LUN to backup proxy? If the SAN Policy is Offline Shared won't auto initialized the Windows? Can I do other step before add LUN to backup proxy?
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I will implement a backup infrastructure. I have some ESXi host which has some dedicated LUN through SAN. The backup server is a physical machine, and this server will be the backup proxy too. The server has direct SAN connection to SAN network. I know, when I install B&R and backup proxy the SAN Policy automatically modified to Offline Shared. Ref link: https://www.veeam.com/kb1446
What is the correct step when I add the ESXi servers or vCenter servers to Veeam? Firstly add the servers and after the LUN to backup proxy? If the SAN Policy is Offline Shared won't auto initialized the Windows? Can I do other step before add LUN to backup proxy?
Thanks.
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Hello Adam,
It is not very clear to me the scenario we have a few main components in Veeam:
In the case that what the ESXi contains on that LUN is VMs, and it is formatted as normal VMFS. Then, yes, on the server that acts as a proxy enable iSCSI, point to the LUN, and make sure everything is in order, in case you have CHAP, etc. And keep the LUN without initialization, I think since Windows Server 2016 onwards it is by default anyways, but follow that KB you pasted.
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It is not very clear to me the scenario we have a few main components in Veeam:
- The Veeam Backup and Replication Server, seems this is physical right?
- Backup Repository, this is the role where we save the data, is this as well part of that physical server?
- The Veeam Proxy, which is the data mover, is the one that talks to the virtual environment and moves the data to the Repository. Is this role on the same server too?
In the case that what the ESXi contains on that LUN is VMs, and it is formatted as normal VMFS. Then, yes, on the server that acts as a proxy enable iSCSI, point to the LUN, and make sure everything is in order, in case you have CHAP, etc. And keep the LUN without initialization, I think since Windows Server 2016 onwards it is by default anyways, but follow that KB you pasted.
Thanks!
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Hy!
The Veeam Backup and Replication Server, seems this is physical right?
Yes, this is a physical server.
Backup Repository, this is the role where we save the data, is this as well part of that physical server?
Yes, the backup repository is the physical server with local disks. (same as the backup server)
The Veeam Proxy, which is the data mover, is the one that talks to the virtual environment and moves the data to the Repository. Is this role on the same server too?
Yes, this physical server has direct SAN access to the production SAN network, where be the LUNs, (VMFS datastore) what use the ESXi hosts. This VMFS datastore contain the VMs files like virtual hard disk.
So I would like to backup this VMs through Direct SAN access transport mode. So I have to add the LUN which reside the VMFS datastore to the backup proxy server, haven't I?
Is it clear for You?
Thanks.
The Veeam Backup and Replication Server, seems this is physical right?
Yes, this is a physical server.
Backup Repository, this is the role where we save the data, is this as well part of that physical server?
Yes, the backup repository is the physical server with local disks. (same as the backup server)
The Veeam Proxy, which is the data mover, is the one that talks to the virtual environment and moves the data to the Repository. Is this role on the same server too?
Yes, this physical server has direct SAN access to the production SAN network, where be the LUNs, (VMFS datastore) what use the ESXi hosts. This VMFS datastore contain the VMs files like virtual hard disk.
So I would like to backup this VMs through Direct SAN access transport mode. So I have to add the LUN which reside the VMFS datastore to the backup proxy server, haven't I?
Is it clear for You?
Thanks.
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Hello Adam, yes all clear and good stuff.
Make sure to follow that KB or some of the other blogs and documents we have. You need to present that ESXi LUN to the server and see it without being initialized, then the Proxy will do DirectSAN for the VMs that are on that LUN, and network mode for the rest, as it can not do HotAdd as it is not a virtual proxy.
Let us know; thanks a lot.
Make sure to follow that KB or some of the other blogs and documents we have. You need to present that ESXi LUN to the server and see it without being initialized, then the Proxy will do DirectSAN for the VMs that are on that LUN, and network mode for the rest, as it can not do HotAdd as it is not a virtual proxy.
Let us know; thanks a lot.
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Hi Adam,
If you want to achive SAN Access Transport you need to follow this guide,
https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backu ... ml?ver=110
In summary you need:
1. Present Datastore LUN from storage to physical server
2. Please take note carefully on mention link, you must keep the disk LUN offline at OS level, and never bring online or moreover initialized. it will destroy VMFS Datastore, your VM will be corrupted.
3. Then When you create backup job, and start backup VM which reside on those LUN, Direct SAN access transport mode will be chosen.
But please also consider Direct SAN access have much limitation you can found on the article, Since it have more complex than other transport method, I suggest you can explore or use SCSI hotadd method. I have implemented most of my client using this method instead use Direct SAN
Thanks
If you want to achive SAN Access Transport you need to follow this guide,
https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backu ... ml?ver=110
In summary you need:
1. Present Datastore LUN from storage to physical server
2. Please take note carefully on mention link, you must keep the disk LUN offline at OS level, and never bring online or moreover initialized. it will destroy VMFS Datastore, your VM will be corrupted.
3. Then When you create backup job, and start backup VM which reside on those LUN, Direct SAN access transport mode will be chosen.
But please also consider Direct SAN access have much limitation you can found on the article, Since it have more complex than other transport method, I suggest you can explore or use SCSI hotadd method. I have implemented most of my client using this method instead use Direct SAN
Thanks
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Thanks.
But before I present the LUN from storage to the backup proxy, can I do something safety step to prevent automatically bring online or initialized the affected LUN?
I would like to collect detailed information.
Thanks.
But before I present the LUN from storage to the backup proxy, can I do something safety step to prevent automatically bring online or initialized the affected LUN?
I would like to collect detailed information.
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
If Server have Proxy role, it will automatically set SAN Policy to Offline Shared, but you can check it by run this command in command prompt:
It will have output like this:
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C:\> DISKPART
DISKPART> SAN
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SAN Policy : Offline Shared
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Thanks.
I have a question related to SAN zoning (FC connection). If I have 2 ESXi server which has 1-1 datastore, how many SAN zone do I create? 1 zone, which include 3 member (backup proxy and 2 datastore LUN)? Or 2 different zone: 1 zone with two member(backup proxy and one datastore), another 1 zone with two member (backup proxy and one datastore)?
I have a question related to SAN zoning (FC connection). If I have 2 ESXi server which has 1-1 datastore, how many SAN zone do I create? 1 zone, which include 3 member (backup proxy and 2 datastore LUN)? Or 2 different zone: 1 zone with two member(backup proxy and one datastore), another 1 zone with two member (backup proxy and one datastore)?
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Hi Adam,
this is up to you and outside of Veeam's resposibility. At the end zoning is about a logical separation of connections and with that any of the above will work.
Its more about your security guidelines as well as your overall zone concept.
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this is up to you and outside of Veeam's resposibility. At the end zoning is about a logical separation of connections and with that any of the above will work.
Its more about your security guidelines as well as your overall zone concept.
Thanks
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Re: Adding SAN LUN to backup proxy
Hi Adam,adam900331 wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2022 6:21 am Thanks.
I have a question related to SAN zoning (FC connection). If I have 2 ESXi server which has 1-1 datastore, how many SAN zone do I create? 1 zone, which include 3 member (backup proxy and 2 datastore LUN)? Or 2 different zone: 1 zone with two member(backup proxy and one datastore), another 1 zone with two member (backup proxy and one datastore)?
Both of your scenario can work perfectly, but for me, I used to implement the second one in my client, the reason is second one which more secure and have better isolation than first one.
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