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Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Hi,

Just a small Q, what is faster, an additional VM acting as proxy or leave the work proxy on the fysical machine running the jobs?

With regards,

Lex

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Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Hi, depends on the processing mode backup proxy running on that physical machine uses. See sticky FAQ topic for more info. Thanks!

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Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Hi,

That FAQ is nice but mostly 6 and 7 based. And backup mode proxy (all is set to automatic mode).

But still the Q remains:

1 server with vmware and direct attached disks. A fysical server with NAS as backup storage (1Gb LAN). Would a vm with proxy make it any faster?

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Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Actually, nothing has changed in v8 comparing to all the previous versions in regards to VMware processing modes. So please, read that topic carefully as it specifically ranks processing modes from fastest to slowest depending on the network speed and the type of primary storage.

Automatic mode selection does not provide any additional information. You need to determine what effective mode is used by the proxy to retrieve data from virtual disks (see the job log). Based on what you have said so far, I am guessing it is going to be NBD, in which case 2nd question of the Network Mode FAQ chapter covers your exact scenario and should fully answer your question. Thanks!

Lex

Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Done this test, it is even slower then the backup proxy on the fysical machine. Virtual proxy 34Mb versus fysical proxy 90Mb.

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Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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This result would normally indicate a major problem with your vSphere setup, because this essentially means that your VMs cannot read data from local storage any faster than 34 MB/s, which is obviously a problem.

Unless the bottleneck was elsewhere in the backup infrastructure for this job run - have you reviewed the bottleneck stats in the job log?

Or, perhaps the comparison was not "clean" (for example, hosts' storage was too busy serving other VMs during your test, while previously backups were performed during "quiet" hours).

Lex

Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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The bottleneck is different per vm, some reporting source, some reporting target and some reporting network. All on one and the same server (6 VM's).
All the windows ntfs volumes are backupped thru CBT

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Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Fluctuating bottleneck means both your storage and network are running at full I/O capacity, so a reduction in load of either component makes another immediately become a bottleneck (with overall performance remaining very slow). This means I was most likely right, and your test result was impacted by other VMs generating heavy load on your storage during your test.

How many hard drives do you have in the host and what are they (RPM, interface, RAID level)?

Also, do you literally have a single 1Gb link to host? Or a few 1Gb links teamed?

Lex

Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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Single nic at the moment, as for the drives, all 10000rpm and SAS 6GB:

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Smart Array P420 in Slot 9
   Bus Interface: PCI
   Slot: 9
   RAID 6 (ADG) Status: Enabled
   Controller Status: OK
   Hardware Revision: B
   Firmware Version: 5.22
   Rebuild Priority: Low
   Expand Priority: Medium
   Surface Scan Delay: 3 secs
   Surface Scan Mode: Idle
   Queue Depth: Automatic
   Monitor and Performance Delay: 60  min
   Elevator Sort: Enabled
   Degraded Performance Optimization: Disabled
   Inconsistency Repair Policy: Disabled
   Wait for Cache Room: Disabled
   Surface Analysis Inconsistency Notification: Disabled
   Post Prompt Timeout: 15 secs
   Cache Board Present: True
   Cache Status: OK
   Cache Ratio: 50% Read / 50% Write
   Drive Write Cache: Enabled
   Total Cache Size: 1024 MB
   Total Cache Memory Available: 816 MB
   No-Battery Write Cache: Disabled
   Cache Backup Power Source: Capacitors
   Battery/Capacitor Count: 1
   Battery/Capacitor Status: OK
   SATA NCQ Supported: True
   Spare Activation Mode: Activate on physical drive failure (default)
   Controller Temperature (C): 88
   Cache Module Temperature (C): 46
   Capacitor Temperature  (C): 20
   Number of Ports: 2 Internal only
   Driver Name: hpsa
   Driver Version: 5.5.0.58-1OEM
   Driver Supports HP SSD Smart Path: False

      Logical Drive: 1
         Size: 1.1 TB
         Fault Tolerance: 1
         Heads: 255
         Sectors Per Track: 32
         Cylinders: 65535
         Strip Size: 256 KB
         Full Stripe Size: 256 KB
         Status: OK
         Caching:  Enabled
         Unique Identifier: 600508B1001CC5CFA4C55FD3D9B61375
         Disk Name: vmhba3:C0:T0:L0
         Mount Points: None
         Logical Drive Label: A4F08AC2PDSXK0BRH5T0TZ3FBF
         Mirror Group 0:
            physicaldrive 1I:2:1 (port 1I:box 2:bay 1, SAS, 1200.2 GB, OK)
         Mirror Group 1:
            physicaldrive 1I:2:2 (port 1I:box 2:bay 2, SAS, 1200.2 GB, OK)
         Drive Type: Data
         LD Acceleration Method: Controller Cache

      Logical Drive: 2
         Size: 1.4 TB
         Fault Tolerance: 5
         Heads: 255
         Sectors Per Track: 32
         Cylinders: 65535
         Strip Size: 256 KB
         Full Stripe Size: 1280 KB
         Status: OK
         Caching:  Enabled
         Parity Initialization Status: Initialization Completed
         Unique Identifier: 600508B1001C60936E02EC9B5E3C6D79
         Disk Name: vmhba3:C0:T0:L1
         Mount Points: None
         Logical Drive Label: 05E8EEB7PDSXK0BRH5T0TZ10B9
         Drive Type: Data
         LD Acceleration Method: Controller Cache


Smart Array P420i in Slot 0 (Embedded)
   Bus Interface: PCI
   Slot: 0
   RAID 6 (ADG) Status: Enabled
   Controller Status: OK
   Hardware Revision: B
   Firmware Version: 5.22
   Rebuild Priority: Low
   Expand Priority: Medium
   Surface Scan Delay: 3 secs
   Surface Scan Mode: Idle
   Queue Depth: Automatic
   Monitor and Performance Delay: 60  min
   Elevator Sort: Enabled
   Degraded Performance Optimization: Disabled
   Inconsistency Repair Policy: Disabled
   Wait for Cache Room: Disabled
   Surface Analysis Inconsistency Notification: Disabled
   Post Prompt Timeout: 15 secs
   Cache Board Present: True
   Cache Status: OK
   Cache Ratio: 50% Read / 50% Write
   Drive Write Cache: Enabled
   Total Cache Size: 512 MB
   Total Cache Memory Available: 304 MB
   No-Battery Write Cache: Disabled
   Cache Backup Power Source: Capacitors
   Battery/Capacitor Count: 1
   Battery/Capacitor Status: OK
   SATA NCQ Supported: True
   Spare Activation Mode: Activate on physical drive failure (default)
   Controller Temperature (C): 78
   Cache Module Temperature (C): 37
   Capacitor Temperature  (C): 27
   Number of Ports: 2 Internal only
   Driver Name: hpsa
   Driver Version: 5.5.0.58-1OEM
   Driver Supports HP SSD Smart Path: False

      Logical Drive: 1
         Size: 1.9 TB
         Fault Tolerance: 5
         Heads: 255
         Sectors Per Track: 32
         Cylinders: 65535
         Strip Size: 256 KB
         Full Stripe Size: 1792 KB
         Status: OK
         Caching:  Enabled
         Parity Initialization Status: Initialization Completed
         Unique Identifier: 600508B1001C83390BC7A9AE3672947C
         Disk Name: vmhba0:C0:T0:L0
         Mount Points: None
         Logical Drive Label: A4F08BBA001438027FEC170CEE9
         Drive Type: Data
         LD Acceleration Method: Controller Cache

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Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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IOPS capacity of six 10K spindles on RAID6 (with its huge I/O penalty) can be easily saturated by a few busy VMs indeed.

If you are interested in performing a "clean" test, do a full backup with all 6 VMs shutdown (so that both storage and network are not doing anything else), in this case you will see that VM backup proxy using HOT ADD will provide better results than physical backup proxy using NBD.

But in your case, efficient data retrieval does not really matter with the entire environment running at full I/O capacity already (as fluctuating bottleneck indicates). So, I'd say just keep everything deployed the way it is now. I assume you do not have any issues meeting your backup window today with just 6 VMs to backup?

Lex

Re: Backup proxy as VM or Not

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No, indeed, backup and replication window is sufficent. But for future reference it is always nice to know what to improve in basic design. This site was handed over and not designed by me.
Thanks so far.

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