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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by chris_lalala » Oct 21, 2018 1:32 pm 2 people like this post

Agree with Service Providers, and University's are not innocent in wasting addresses. If we would put our clients behind a NAT we had enough v4 range for the next century. :roll:

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[MERGED] Exchange 2013 IP-Less DAG (IPv6 only, CAAP-less) Backup

Post by NortheR73 » Dec 07, 2018 7:36 am

Hi,
We are looking for backup solution on Exchange 2013 IP-less DAG. Our DAG nodes have only IPv6 addresses so there is no CNO (cluster name object), no CAAP (cluster administrative access point), no cluster/DAG IP. Cluster management is performed by powershell, DAG management - by EAC
Problem: Veeam 9.5 can't connect to our Exchange servers raising error "Error: Host '...' is unreachable: No IPv4 addresses visible"

Is it possible to use Veeam Backup in this Exchange environment?

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by wishr » Dec 07, 2018 9:17 am

Hi NortheR73,
 
At this point, only IPv4 configurations are supported, but we keep an eye on the overall situation and consider IPv6 support as a potential feature, but no ETA yet as mentioned above.
 
Please note, that I've moved your post in the existing thread covering the IPv6 support topic. Please take a look.
 
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Fedor

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by jeroen_st » Jan 21, 2019 3:18 pm

I would love to see IPv6 in the cloud connect service / all VEEAM backup products.
The only application that works without a problem on IPv6 is the VEEAM Availability console and the Cloudconnect portal (but that runs on MS IIS)
We have 2 internet providers at our location one is IPv4 only the other is IPv6 only, speedtest:
IPv4 Speed 9.89 Mbit/s
IPv6 Speed 49.6 Mbit/s

This question has been asked almost exactly 7 years (Jan 22, 2012) ago and there is still no ETA or timetable available?

Most backup providers and software solutions support IPv6 in most of their products (CA ArcServ/Crashplan/Symantec DLP/Veritas Backup Exec/etc) is it not time yet?

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by Gostev » Jan 21, 2019 9:47 pm

It's not about whether it's time or not, or what competition is doing - but rather about overall feature priority. Lack of IPv6 support simply has not been a pressing need of our existing customer base, unlike some other features of the same magnitude.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by bpr-backup » Jan 22, 2019 3:48 pm

@Gostev: It really is quite frustrating for those of us who have IPv6 only networks and Veeam Backup does not work, and have to concoct some work-around for a 20+ year old protocol (Formalized in 1998). Really, Veeam dropped the ball and didn't plan right, it would have been very easy to build IPv6 in when everything was being constructed in the first place. I have been using IPv6 in some form or capacity since 2003. Even if your customers back then didn't need it, it was still a formalized internet protocol of TCP, and should have been planned since day 1.The Veeam organization was started when IPv6 was a known quantity.

-Another customer (in your base) who has to use work-arounds for Veeam alone or other products to backup using our IPv6 networks.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by marco.horstmann » Jan 28, 2019 1:21 pm 3 people like this post

@bpr-backup: it is just not only to implement a new protocol, you also need to test all components if they work in IPv4 only, IPv4&6 mixed, IPv6 only networks. This would IMHO tripple the needed QA time for testing our solution. This is for every update and release. It's a huge backpack you need to carry with you.

I'm not member of Product Management or R&D, "only" field engineer, but none of my known projects has IPv6 as showstopper. Other features are there more important as Anton already mentioned.
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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by jockisch » Mar 11, 2019 7:52 am

Hello,

in my opinion the ipv6 support is a tragedy.
IPv6 is a base technology since many years.

Yes some company have problems with this networkstack, but Veeam will be the #1 in Backup and Recovery.

And the big player can do it:

MS - supports IPV6 only (since years)
VMware - supports IPV6 only
netapp - supports IPV6 only

We have started with an ipv6 only infrastructure with these products - and the only obstruction is Veeam.
Now we must mixed ipv4 and ipv6 in public and privates IPs - its very scary
A Support call for a problem tooks more then four weeks, because the infrastructure and the connections problems are very difficult to understand for all engineers.

Veeam has no idea, no plan, no timetable for an implementation !
But every week i hear about "new" features, even more cloud, and more partner connections.

The other way arround, veeam speaks about the difficulty to change all components to IPV6.
Does it not make sense to implement first the basic, and then the options above?


Veeam wake up, do your homework, so you can really claim the number one.


@marco.horstmann - we have a project with ipv6 only, the missing function is a showstopper. In the near future we must decide: cancel the project or search for an other competitor. On both way we return the licenses, and then we must verify whether to change completely our Backup product.


I Think, more people have the problem but dont speak about it - either they use ipv4 or private adresses in a very suboptimal way, or they leave veeam and tell nobody.

Veeam is a good product, we like it. It wold be a shame if we must change it.

Greetings
Stephan

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[MERGED] Adding IPv6 Support

Post by barry » May 10, 2019 1:31 pm

We recently deployed vmware and, because it's new, it is setup using IPv6. When adding veeam we discovered veeam did not support an IPv6 only environment.

To work around this issue we had to setup a NAT64; it's a pain, but it works well enough.

It would be really nice for veeam to support IPv6.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by sege » May 29, 2019 9:07 am

How is the IPv6 support coming up? I BIG shame Veeam doesn't support IPv6. How about getting some traction around this? I'll soon have to look at solutions supporting the standard tech stack as of 2019. I was just going to use the Linux agent to backup some external servers for a customer when figuring out the agent needs to contact the Veeam server, the Veeam repo and whatnot. Yeah, not a problem with v6 but we just don't have enough v4 addresses to put everything public. So, now I have to build ipsec tunnels or whatnot to solve it.

The lack of v6 support is a huge PITA.

Look at this:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/ipv6- ... lable-pool

Comments like 'if universities would use NAT we'd have IPv4 forever' are just insane. NAT as an ugly solution to a problem solved with IPv6 and should not be used at all.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by iamcts » Jun 05, 2019 4:13 pm 3 people like this post

I really feel bad for the Veeam staff in this thread.

Just because you want a feature, that doesn't mean Veeam is obligated to please you. I'm sure they would love to get IPv6 implemented at some point, but if a microscopic piece of their users require IPv6, then it doesn't make sense for them to drop everything they're doing just to implement IPv6. Clearly you all have workarounds that you're using, so use them until Veeam adds the feature you need.

There are features I would love that don't include IPv6, but I'm not going to regurgitate it over and over on the forums and expect a different response from Veeam.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by barry » Aug 05, 2019 1:03 pm

@iamcts We are just asking that a software vendor, who implements the internet protocol, conform to RFC8200 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8200).

There's a difference in "a nice feature to have" and a standard. It isn't a crazy request; they brag about working with the US Federal government (https://www.veeam.com/federal.html), and the federal government requires IPv6 (https://policy.cio.gov/web-policy/ipv6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whiteh ... -17-06.pdf)

Not that this thread matters though, when I called product support they said I was the first one who even asked. _Clearly_ a lie judging by this thread.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by wishr » Aug 05, 2019 2:43 pm 1 person likes this post

Hi Nich,

Did you notice that your link states IPv6 support is mandatory only for "public/external facing servers"? ;)

Anyway, I can confirm that IPv6 support IS planned (just cannot provide ETA at the moment).

Thanks

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by darecki » Aug 11, 2019 11:56 pm

I just wonder what is that hard with IPv6. All windows under have dual stack so as long, as Veeam does not use raw socket, it doesn't matter which protocol transfers data. Except for some legacy (such as ARP and broadcasts in general) whatever IPv4 supports, IPv6 does too. So what is missing? Yet certainly IPv6 has a lot of nice components such as address belonging to server not interface and embedded IPsec (AH and ESP) which solves all the security problems making firewalls redundant. No bottleneck on VPN encryption and can keep counting stuff from IPv6 not available on IPv4.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by barry » Aug 12, 2019 12:52 pm

Thank you for the update wishr. Is there a list I can get on to be emailed when it's coming out of alpha/beta/testing and into production? We will need to reconfigure our network at that time.

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Re: IPv6 support in veeam v9

Post by veremin » Aug 12, 2019 6:50 pm

You can follow these forums' weekly digest. There we share information about upcoming features, starting of private beta program and so on.

Assuming we had IPv6 support coming, we would probably announce it in forums' digest earlier on to get people with required infrastructure test it, while it's in beta stage.

Thanks!

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