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VMware View: best practices backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby DataAssure » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:40 am

Do we just treat it like any one of guest instances? or VMware has some whitepapers or best practice guides published for protecting the VDI servers & clients. One of our requirements is <1hr RPO & RTO. TIA
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:51 am

No, you cannot treat them as regular VMs - vStorage API does not support linked clones. Protection approach depends on how you have VDI deployed. If you are using roaming profiles, then you backup file server holding them with Veeam. If you are using persistent disks with local profiles, you should be able to back them up with Veeam using disk exclusion settings (select only this disk for backup).

And in both cases, you will need to protect your "base" images somehow by maintaining backup copy of it.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby whynotq » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:33 pm

the VDI servers need to have the SQL databases backed up however if you use replica connection brokers and NLB then you could avoid backing these up unless you are protecting against a complete site outage in which case you are needing a BC solution rather than DR.

to keep going you need Broker and VM's to provision you need vCentre as well but the SQL is key.

Feature request please :-) tools for VDI...

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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby DataAssure » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:13 am

What are the sequences of not having the Veeam SQL databases backed up "properly"? Yes, I do need both a BCP & DRP.
If I read the FAQ correctly, Veeam lic agreement DOES allow us to install Veeam B&R on both physical "and" virtual machine and iniate backup/replication jobs concurrently for the same vSphere host. Right?
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:40 am

DataAssure wrote:What are the sequences of not having the Veeam SQL databases backed up "properly"?

If you're talking about not enabling application aware image processing, then in most cases, crash consistent backups for low activity SQL server will work fine. If you want to be 100% sure, or if you SQL server has significant load, then you need to enable that option.

DataAssure wrote:If I read the FAQ correctly, Veeam lic agreement DOES allow us to install Veeam B&R on both physical "and" virtual machine and iniate backup/replication jobs concurrently for the same vSphere host. Right?

Yes, you can use the same license file on multiple Veeam Backup servers. Enteprise Manager will keep track of consolidated license usage.
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backup vmware view 4.5 linked clones

Veeam Logoby bartvincke » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:34 pm

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hi,
one of our customers has a vmware view 4.5 environment consisting of linked clones.
I would like to back these up with Veeam.
The customer is atm still using v4

I can't seem to be able to back up any of the vdi's, probably because they are linked clones.
I do need to find a way however.

The desktops consist of 3 drives, boot ( linked clone ), temp drive and a persistent data drive.
It's the persistent data drive I really need because this one consists of all the actual userdata.
I already tried to create a job that only backups drive 1:0 ( which is for all desktops the persistent data drive ) but to no avail.

Does v5 include a proper way to handle linked clones or at least backup these peristent disks ?
If this is the case I would have a good argument to get the customer to upgrade to the lastest version.
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Backup of Linked Clones in View

Veeam Logoby whynotq » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:34 am

Hello,

anyone have any thoughts or experience of backing up desktop images that are linked clones so that they can be restored as "full" individual machines later?

Scenario that has crossed my desk is being looked at from an Avamar product specialist but that requires a unique agent in each machine which isn't going to happen easily in View Linked Clones, their loss :-).

What we are being asked is, client has 500 desktops as linked clones, scheduled refresh/recompose monthly, security staff require backups of all machines so that they can go back up to 60 days to recover individual user data files.

My thinking is that this is ideal for Veeam as it will see the Linked clones as individual machines for backup but will then benefit from the deduplication ratio that linked clones will obviously have.

Any thoughts, experiences or "left field" ideas welcomed.

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View 4.6 Backup Solution

Veeam Logoby ThomasYeo » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:50 am

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hi,

any one have best way to Backup and replicate of View Desktop? between Production and DR site.

/Thanks :D
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Slowrider5 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:01 pm

I would love to see a clarification here from an official Veeam employee as to whether this truly works. I did see that Gostev is a Product Manager, so I would like to trust that answer. However, in the follow-up comments there is a claim by another user that it did not work for him.

Also, I had been told by a Veeam field resource that the answer should be yes, because in general if you can snapshot the disk then Veeam should be able to back it up. Then I noticed this link on the VMware site that said a user couldn't snapshot the persistent disk because it is marked independent:

http://communities.vmware.com/thread/339861

So, to sum it up, I'm not looking for a should, could, or it might work. I'm looking for a clear answer as to whether Veeam can back up a user data disk / persistent disk in a View 4.6 or 5 environment.
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:17 am

We have not specifically tested our product with VMware View (and not planning, at least in the short term), so there is no official support.
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby tsightler » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:57 am

Actually, this is easy to answer. Veeam cannot backup the user data disk because the UDD cannot be snapshotted. If you use roaming profiles or a personal management tool (either third-party for View 4.x, or the built in for View 5), these solutions typically store the user persistent data on a central NAS server and Veeam can backup that server if it is virtual. Veeam can of course also backup the View infrastructure servers assuming they are virtual.
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Vevelt » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:22 am

What about Licensing in VDI scenario?
We have Veeam B&R licensed for our cluster with server vms (10 Hosts, 20 CPUs), but it would be quite expensive to have licenses for our VDI cluster also (16 to 20 Hosts, 32 to 40 CPUs)... there are many pools with linked clones (only the template should be backed up) but also a few individual vms we would like to backup. Are there plans to provide special licensing for VDI which isn't counted by CPU?
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:33 am

We have no plans to change licensing at this time.
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby mjuca » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:23 pm

What about the backup of VDI golden desktop images with multiple snapshots?
These VMs are typically not running and I was wondering if there is a way of using Veeam to backup these images including snapshots?
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Re: Best Practices of backing up VDI server & clients

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:03 pm

Marcus, backup of snapshots is not supported. The backup file will include a single VMDK per disk with the "consolidated" state captured in it (meaning, the current VM state as hypervisor would see it if you were to power on the VM). Thanks!
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