Using object storage as a backup target
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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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@gostev any further update on this. Are we still looking at V12 and if so what’s a ball park release date for that. I have a lot of clients I’m wanting to get working with this but not sure how long I can wait and don’t really want the go the AWS path then have to change and re upload all backups

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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Hi Rhys,

There are no significant updates. At this time, v12 (our immediate next major release in 2022) is the earliest release vehicle where we can potentially deliver this feature. Though there are still dependencies on Microsoft making this functionality generally available in time, and the following internal testing results.

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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rhysgjones wrote: Jul 22, 2021 2:07 pmdon’t really want the go the AWS path then have to change and re upload all backups
Please note that this will likely be required to leverage immutability in any case. No cloud object storage vendor out there supports enabling object-level locking on an existing bucket, and from what we know Azure will have the same limitation.

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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With this recent preview release from Azure, can we hope that once this goes GA that VEEAM will add support for Azure immutable storage with blob level being possible?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ ... ure-portal

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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Not with the current implementation. Just as I suspected earlier, this v1 implementation did not come without nasty surprises. There is a significant limitation in the blob storage API that will make using immutability very expensive (not to mention poor performance) due to requiring many times more API calls comparing to S3... so we will need to wait for some "v2" first. We've made Microsoft aware about this issue, they understand it and are planning to address it down the road. So we can only hope they can do this in time for V12.

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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This doesn't sound promising...
If Microsoft won't implement the change till V12, do we have to wait till V13 or will you be able to deliver this with a minor Update?

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob

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From our side there are no difficulties, so we can deliver it in the immediate release vehicle after this limitation is addressed.

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[MERGED] Immutability with Azure cloud capacity tier

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During Veeam presentation of "EMEA: BIGGEST cloud release: AWS, Azure and Google" on Nov 4th. the presenter mentioned that immutability on Azure is not implemented due to the fact that Azure implements immutability on bucket level instead of object level.

@Gostev, if this is correct, does that mean that Veeam is awaiting for Microsoft to implement this feature first and is there any kind of timeframe? I guess that this would put off implementing this feature for sometimes B&R v12 och when Microsoft finds it suitable on the priority list?

If there is no plans from Microsoft side to implement this, then we would have to look for alternatives (probably AWS) but that has a less technical and much larger administrative overhead for us to implement due to local public procurements law and internal policies.

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Re: Immutability with Azure cloud capacity tier

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Please read more about this topic here:

Immutable Backup on Azure Blob
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[MERGED] Azure blob immutablity

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Now that Immutable storage for Azure Blob Storage is publicly available, can we use it with the Veeam archive tier or will it require an update from Veeam first? I suspect it will require a code update, but figured I'd ask the group.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ ... e-overview

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Re: Azure blob immutablity

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It is not supported yet. see kb https://www.veeam.com/kb4241
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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Any update, now that B&R v12 is on the (far) horizon or is it unclear when this feature is to be expected?

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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No update. We're still waiting for the API limitation that I mentioned in my previous post removed, before we can proceed any further.

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Hi All,

Checking the Microsoft link for the immutability for azure blob storage it does appear from the table within the link that this is no longer in preview.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ ... e-overview

Is this something that can now be roadmapped for V12 and when is V12 due for release?

Thanks,

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Anton's reply above is still valid. Thanks!

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Great news from Anton in today's forums digest. It looks like we have a good chance to see immutability support with Azure blob im V12. Let's hope Microsoft is as fast as Veeam with implementing the changes and going out of preview state.

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[MERGED]Azure Object storage with lock

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I'm aware Azure doesn't have the object storage with object lock like AWS and thus Veeam cannot perform native immutable backups to it yet but does anyone has news on if MS in planning on offering this any time soon?

thanks

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Hi Peteski

Moved your question to this topic. See the answers above.
As soon we have any news, we will post it here.
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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Any update for this? Is the V12 can be supported Azure Blob Storage Immutable?

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Currently we can only say that we are trying to make it happen in v12 :)

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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We are waiting for Veeam to support Azure immutable as azure is quite faster than other Cloud Object Storage.

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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It is still the plan to deliver it in the upcoming v12 release.
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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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is there anyone know when V12 will be released?Last time I heard that V12 will be release on the middle of the 2022, but until now I didn't hear any news about this. Thanks!

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Current target is still H2 of 2022 but we can't provide any exact date yet for it. Once we have a more precise date, we'll update the topic with details.
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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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In terms of V12 timeline:
The company is in a "steady state period," senior global technologist Anthony Spiteri told iTWire, but Veeam Backup and Replication v12 is due for release at the end of the year (with general availability in January 2023), and work is already underway on v13.
Not sure about the forum policy on posting links so if you just google "Veeam readies multiple product releases" it's the first link.

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Any update for this?

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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No changes on the timeline, the target is still H2 2022 towards the end of the year.
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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Any update for this?

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Re: Immutable Backup on Azure Blob (immutable blob storage)

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Still planned for the v12 release. Once we get closer to a release date, we’ll update the topic.
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