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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:16 pm

It only seems to use two drive simultaneously (Drive 1 and 2). I have 10 drives listed. Loogin over the job report it only seems to use drive 2. I swear it was using drive one as well.

I have 16 Tapes marked as 'AVAILABLE' and are in the media pool for the job.

Have you guys in testing got it to work with more than 0ne-two Drives?
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:53 pm

Yes, its all the drives should be visible. Can you perform a rescan? In addition, have you installed the Sony changer driver on Veeam tape server according the VTL guide?
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:03 am

Yes, followed the guide to the letter.

Currently it has Drive 1 and 2 loaded. But that's all it ever uses.

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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:24 am

Got it and thanks for the screenshot! If you run Import tapes – would the VBR recognize the loaded media? Could you please clarify how many media pools you’ve setup in the VBR (to let the tape job work simultaneously you must have one media pool per drive)?
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:57 am

I see. So currently I have two media pools. One with my unassigned tapes (free) and one for my quarterly backup to AWS (quarterly backup). So to use all the drives available I need to have a pool for each one. Meaning I can't use more than one tape drive per backup job, right? But I could run two jobs at the same time and that would allow me to use two of them. No way to use more than one on the same Job?
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:22 am

Meaning I can't use more than one tape drive per backup job, right?

Correct.

No way to use more than one on the same Job?

Currently no.
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:26 pm

Thanks for Clearing that up Eremin.

Also any idea if we will be able to get the tape labels out of AWS in the up-coming service pack for 8? Creating them one at a time, adding them one at a time and manually renaming new tapes in Veeam (one at a time) is a real drag.
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:19 am

Hello Latham,
Also any idea if we will be able to get the tape labels out of AWS in the up-coming service pack for 8?

We will provide the solution for barcode reader issues in the next major release.
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:47 am

So that is Version 10? Meaning maybe some time at the end of the year?
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:54 am

So that is Version 10?

Current product version is 8. The next major one is 9.

Meaning maybe some time at the end of the year?

There is no ETA at the moment.

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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby user1337 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:52 am

The lack of barcode makes this feature completely useless. No legitimate backup strategy could run the risk of an administrator making a mistake and incorrectly naming a tape within Veeam and subsequently deleting/archiving the wrong media from AWS. This would be a fantastic feature if it worked; disappointed.
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:03 pm

Hello,

Unfortunately, there are some technical limitations in the Sony medium changer drivers. There is nothing we can do about it, except the renaming workaround. As stated above we are going to provide the complete support of the Amazon VTL in the next versions (including the barcode reader support). Stay tuned.
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Gav@GH » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:30 am

I'd like to add my voice to getting the missing barcode issue looked at in an upcoming patch, rather than waiting for a full release.

We're just completing a full POC for using Veeam and archiving to AWS (as a replacement for Symantec BE and tapes). It's been a long assessment and has included waiting for the new V8 Veeam servers and test build for both AWS storage gateways (Volume gateway and VTL gateway). The later giving us greater control over large media sets and archival control into Glacier.

Everything was looking fantastic - right up until the end when I've gone to recover a tape and realised there was no way to identify "Tape x" with the barcode on the archived tape.

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Your suggested workaround is NOT a viable option; I have for example 5 tapes needed per month, but there is no way to identify which ones are which. It limits the creation to 1 tape at a time, which then need to be imported and manually renamed. Whilst I could created fewer (but larger tapes), to ease this overhead, it goes against the benefits of granularity in storage and recovery.

- Is there a better way to create and rename multiple tapes?
- Perhaps there is an alternative/updated driver that can be used? Blaming the limitations on your channel partners (that you've chosen) is not really good enough.
- Perhaps you could provide a patch?

We are 99% satisfied with our POC, but the 1% is a massive failure.
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:16 am

Hello Gav@GH,
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately, that’s the only widows changer driver Amazon supported. The fix we are working on is complex and does not fit the next patch.

If you don’t mind I’ll add you to the list of the users submitted for testing the new functionality and let you know once we have a private fix (or build) testing so you could show your customers complete integration or just check if it fits your requirements. Meanwhile, stay tuned. Thanks
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Re: Amazon AWS VTL Gateway

Veeam Logoby tsightler » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:00 pm 2 people like this post

Gav@GH wrote:- Is there a better way to create and rename multiple tapes?

As an interim it looks like it might be possible to something with Powershell using the AWS Tools for Powershell and the Veeam Powershell API. The AWS Powershell toolkit has an cmdlet for creating and retrieving tapes (New-SGTapes and Get-SGTapes). My thought is you could potentially create a Powershell that creates tapes on the VTL and then immediately names them in Veeam. Unfortunately I won't have time to play with this for the next week or so but it looks doable at first glance. I know it's not ideal, but might help mitigate the issue until the more complex fix is implemented.
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