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Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby HardWired » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:07 am 1 person likes this post

Moved a couple of tapes that I could previously list the files on by going to the files tab, after moving them to a Monthend media pool it seems to have lost any index it had of files on the tape??????

Im really starting to miss my nice backup exec setup that never had any issues but im pushing on, trying to sort out how to get the Veeam tape system working like a normal tape backup system but its difficult.
Also the TL2000 Dell multichanger, tape slots are listing with completely non-logical numbers which doesnt exacly help and would seem like something that would be pretty easy to sort of before a major release, how exacly does slot 4096 help instead of being Slot1 or even Slot0 ??

I cant tell veeam to take a tape from a certain slot either, or partition slots off to be used for weekly/daily/monthly either, something that I loved how easy it was under backup exec, always knew that slots 1 and 2, whatever tapes were there were for a full weekdump, and every other slot was for incrementals (lto5s were loaded in the first two slots and lto4s for incrementals)

Why cant some of these highly-basic tape backup software features work in something thats been in development for so long.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:30 am

Hello,
Moved a couple of tapes ... to a Monthend media pool

Notification warning should pop up when you are moving tape between media pools, letting you know that when you move tape between pools it is marked as free. However the tape would be erased only during next writing operation, so to save the data you can delete this tape from catalogue and then catalogue tape bacl to the library, such tape would be moved to imported media pool and the data could be restored.
how exacly does slot 4096 help instead of being Slot1 or even Slot0 ??

VBR does not rename tape slots instead slot numbers presented from the library are taken.
I cant tell veeam to take a tape from a certain slot either

With Veeam tape feature you can create multiple media pools and specify tape media allocated to each media pool (media could be identified by barcode/name), then for each media pool you specify retention, and media set creation.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby HardWired » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:19 am

Well all the answers pretty much explained everything that we already knew, but does nothing to actually fix any of the problems which im sure will be sorted in the next few years bit by bit.
Why should i need to recatalog a tape after moving to another media set... not really helpful and an incredibly slow process if you want todo lots of tapes, i can quite happily move media around sets in backupexec and easily lookup files/dates/media from backups in the catalog without loosing that info because the tape moved between a folder/mediaset
We know vbr takes the slot numbers from the tapedrive, but changing it to a user-friendly format would be handy, im sure backupexec tapes the slots numbers from the drive too, but it seems to be able to show easily understandable numbers?
and yes we know about media pools, as its the only way of using the tape system with veeam, backupexec has media pools too, but also provides the ability to choose to take tapes from a certain slot regardless of the name/barcode/mediapool of the tape.
Taking a free tape always from slots X to X and then putting whatever media is picked into a mediapool is quite a handy feature.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby foggy » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:32 am

HardWired wrote:Well all the answers pretty much explained everything that we already knew, but does nothing to actually fix any of the problems which im sure will be sorted in the next few years bit by bit.

Yes, we are going to considerably improve tape functionality in the future releases. Thanks for your feedback.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby scott.anderson » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:43 am

Please fix the tape media pool move!
I'd suggest that the only time you want it to "erase" the tape set info is if you move it to the FREE tape media pool.
Moving a tape to a Monthly or Yearly Media Pool is usually because you want to KEEP it longer with a different retention setup, not lose all the information!
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:44 am

Scott,

However the media pool architecture is not going to change, your scenario could be achieved thru the vaulting feature that would be presented in the upcoming major release. Thank you.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby ccatlett1984 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:54 pm

What quarter is the release slated for?
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:22 pm

Hi, Chris, there is no ETA at this moment. Thanks.
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[MERGED] : File Catalog vs Archived Tape

Veeam Logoby regnak2012 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:12 am

Hi,

We want to put our end of month tapes offsite permanently. We plan to create a custom media pool in Veeam to prevent overwrites and manually move the tape to this pool. My understanding is that in doing this we will lose the file catalog data (the ability to search for individual files within backup jobs on tape). Future Veeam versions may address this but in the meantime, is it possible to recover / retain the file catalog data somehow? Will a tape rescan only pick up jobs rather than reconstitute file catalog data?

Thanks for any advice offered,
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:13 am

Hi, Michael,

The tapes moved between media pools are marked as free, and, as the result, file indexes are lost.

The vault feature that, according to the plan, should be included in the next product version. As for now, you can use the workaround mentioned by Dmitry.

Thanks.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby regnak2012 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:39 am

Hi,
Thanks for that. Just one thing I need to clarify - if I re-import the tape, does it allow me to search for individual files within the VMs backed up on that tape again?

Cheers,
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:08 pm

Does it allow me to search for individual files within the VMs backed up on that tape again?

I'm wondering what type of the tape job you're using. Backup to tape or Files to tape one?

I'm asking, since if you're using backup to tape job, you can only see VMs that were backed up by it, not the files located inside these VMs. Only the files backed up by file to tape job are reflected under corresponding node ("Files").

Thanks.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby regnak2012 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:36 pm

Hi,
I should clarify I'm using Enterprise Manager for this task, rather than B&R. I plan to use Backup to Tape jobs. What's interesting is the Enterprise Manager Docs quote the following:
"Even when VM backups are moved to an external storage device or tape, indexing data for such VMs remains in the catalog and is displayed in search results.You can use the Import feature in Veeam Backup & Replication to import the backup to the backup server, and then recover the file."
To backtrack, my requirement is to send a tape once a month offsite potentially forever but retain the file index in the catalog permanently. If I move the Tape to a different media pool to protect it from being overwritten, can I rebuild the file index in the Enterprise Manager catalog again? Hope this makes sense! Thanks.
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Re: Moved tape to different mediapool and looses file index?

Veeam Logoby foggy » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:02 pm

regnak2012 wrote:If I move the Tape to a different media pool to protect it from being overwritten, can I rebuild the file index in the Enterprise Manager catalog again? Hope this makes sense!

Not 100% sure, but indexing data should remain in the catalog (until retention applies) and be available for restores once you import the tape back.
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