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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby Petrie » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Thank you very much for this explanation. Good to know, how the program works internally. :)
And also thank you for this forum and your readiness to dicuss these topics with us, - also highly appreciated!

Have a good weekend!
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby AaronD » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:09 am

nunciate wrote:I would like to have this added as a feature. Possibly as part of the media pool settings. The setting would allow tapes that expire to automatically move into the Free Media Pool so they become available for use in any pool.
I know this is an option in other backup software I have used so it is a pretty common thing. It would allow for more efficient use of media across pools.

I do this manually today. Each day I received tapes back from offsite. I check-in the tapes and verify their info in Veeam. If they are truly ready to expire I manually move them to the Free Media Pool thus making them available for any job to use.


+1 This makes a lot of sense. Had to search Google to see if this was a functionality of Veeam (how I found this thread). Hopefully makes it into upcoming release.

Additional feature requests:
1) Add "Expiration Date" column so we can view the expiration date of our tapes
2) Ability to modify the expiration date from the GUI. Right now we have one media pool for all of our backups (we do daily incrementals with weekly active fulls), so we only have one retention period. However, we have Daily, Monthly and Quarterly backup job retention periods. So right now our retentions periods in Veeam do not match up with the retention periods at Iron Mountain. We could manually move the Monthly and Quarterly backups to different pools, but then we would need to re-inventory/catalog the tapes (and then move them back to Free once they return so they can be written to again).
3) Much more granular scheduling for GFS
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:06 am 1 person likes this post

1) According to the plan, it should be added in version 8. For now, you can use Veeam ONE report called "Tape backup" in order to get that information

2) The retention settings are configurable on media pool level and applied to mediaset, rather than to individual media. So, the ability to modify expiration date of particular cassette wouldn't fit in the whole picture.

3) You mean tape GFS, right? For now, the only way to achieve it is to use certain workaround.

Thanks.
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:20 am

Hello,

Ability to modify the expiration date from the GUI. Right now we have one media pool for all of our backups (we do daily incrementals with weekly active fulls), so we only have one retention period. However, we have Daily, Monthly and Quarterly backup job retention periods. So right now our retentions periods in Veeam do not match up with the retention periods at Iron Mountain.


In next version we would provide the ability to change retention of the existing media pool, with applying to either new or/and all the existing tape media in the media pool. Another feature is to enable software protection switch, which would prevent the specified tape from being retired (same as write protect switch on the tape media), I guess this two being implemented would cover your scenario.
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby AaronD » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:44 pm

Thank you for responding.

1) Great (d.popov: Thank you for letting me know. I was curious how this was being applied and glad there will be more clarity in v8)

2) Will moving tapes between media pools still require re-cataloging? One solution to achieve what I want (being able to having expiration dates in Veeam reflect Iron Mountain), would be to manually move the tapes to different pools after specific backups (weekly, monthly, quarterly) to get the different expiration date associated with that pool. However, this really isn't ideal to have to manually move tapes between pools.

3) Yes, I did see that thread prior to writing this post. Is a "superseding" ability on the roadmap? Or more customization with tape backup scheduling ("do not run backup on this date/schedule" -- so that we can create another "Quarterly" tape backup job going to different media pool --- or allow for multiple logic "move to pool X except for last day/week of month move to pool Y and last day/week of quarter move to pool Z").
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:04 pm

Tape gets moved between media pools in two steps. Firstly, it's moved to free media pool. Secondly, to the required media pool. So, the catalog operation would still be necessary in order to explore the content of this or that particular tape. Thanks.
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[MERGED] move expired tapes to free pool

Veeam Logoby lowlander » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:18 am

Hi,

we are planning using multiple GFS tape pools. However we experience the behaviour that expired tapes won't move automatically to the free pool. Seems that these tapes will be reused again.

Do I miss a checkbox within Veeam, or are there other methods for moving expired tapes to the free pool ?

thanks !
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby lowlander » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:53 pm

When using GFS pools, the expired tapes stay in the GFS pool. Only we to move them is to do this manually, while automatic would be preferrable.
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:20 am

You can write a simple PS script that being executed on predefined bases will move all expired tapes to the Free media pool. I think there are already several examples written for this matter. Thanks.
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby mma » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:46 pm

+1 one feature request :-)
I like to have an option to export expired GFS tapes to the "Free" media pool in the GUI.

Yes, you like to have the GUI easy and clean - but the amount of "there is a registry key for this*" and "you can schedule a script for this" is getting longer and longer in every release.... :roll:


* I still don't like the fact that there is no list of it...

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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:14 pm

Hi Marcel,

It's true - we have this request tracked as very demanded. There is a huge chance you will see this option in the UI soon :wink:
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby dschuler » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:19 pm

Has there been any update on this? We are just deploying a tape infrastructure in our Veeam environment and are running into this as an issue. I still don't see a feature for it in 9.5u2, is this something we can expects in u3 or 10.0?
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Re: Recycle expired tapes to other pools

Veeam Logoby Didi7 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:09 pm

Quote: Move expired tapes from any pool to the FREE media pool automatically

Honestly, as this has been already discussed 3 years ago, I thought, while reading this thread, this had already been integrated into VBR. Unfortunately, this is not the case. It is available in many other backup products, as a standard feature and probably one of the most demanding feature request reading the forums here. It is annoying that Veeam expects this to be done by customers manually, really!

Quote: Catalogs from tape media gets deleted, as soon as it is moved manually from one to another pool

I remember asking here long ago, why VBR forces the catalog to be deleted of tape media, that is moved from one to another pool. This is also not the case in many backup products I know and reading this thread I realize a lot of people find it annoying as well and I really have not found any good explanation, why this is done by VBR compared to other products. To me, it would make sense, if catalog data is removed from tape media, that has expired and moved to the FREE media pool but not if it has been moved manually from one to another pool! Also, this behaviour has been identified by Veeam forum members, which told me, it would make sense to keep the catalog data, when tape media is moved between pools but unfortunately it is still not integrated!

+1 for move expired tape media automatically to the FREE media pool
+1 for do not remove catalog data for tape media that is moved to other media pools (exception FREE media pool)

Let's see, if this can make into 9.5 U3 or if dust settles will be forgotten again!

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Didi7

P.S.: Power Shell scripts are nice workarounds for the time being but not for feature requests being requested several times over a period of several months or years
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