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Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by byteschubser » Dec 18, 2015 11:45 am

Hi,

after problems with tapes having same media_id* and single tape LTO drives veeam shows many mounted medias (after using the hardware edject button) we are using the option "Eject media once the job finishes". Most of our small business cutomers only change tapes and get job mails - no access to management interface.

But sometimes people forget changing the tape. After inserting a new Tape job starts - and the next job execution fails at night :-( -waiting for tape

OK we can stop the jop at the management interface and get a message :

"VM's files for this job will be left in the inkosistent state. One or more VMs have incomplete, unusable restore points. Stop the Job anyway?"

Sounds not really good to me - ok it stops the job. What exactly is the meening of inconsisting state, incomplete, unusable restore points? When job starts again it creates new restore points - or we are wrong.

We are missing a shedule option : A backup job not completed within a specific amount of time can be automatically canceled by a defined maximum time value.

Any hints - thanks!

Helge


* many thanks for great support tweaking the database :-)

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by v.Eremin » Dec 18, 2015 2:29 pm

Prior to answering your question it's worth understanding what situation led to the described behaviour ("job fails with waiting for a new tape" message). Am I right in assuming that it's been just caused by previously written media ejected after job's end that responsible individual forgot to replace with a new medium? Thanks.

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by Dima P. » Dec 18, 2015 3:48 pm

If you are talking about backup to tape job there is a schedule option to run the tape job automatically ‘as new backup as a new file appear…’ where you can specify the desired backup windows.
VM's files for this job will be left in the inkosistent state
This warning is displayed while the tape job is running and you are canceling it to let you know that files written to tape during this job run will be inconsistent (because you are going to stop the writing process somewhere in the middle). Nothing to worry about if the you are canceling the job in waiting for tape state.

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by byteschubser » Dec 22, 2015 8:58 am

@Dima - thanks for the clarification. OK its what we already guessed but the warning sound s a litle bit dangerous.

@v. Eremin
Yes, you are right - previously written media ejected after job's end and responsible individual forgot to replace with a new medium.

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by v.Eremin » Dec 22, 2015 9:48 am

In this case, you could ignore the said message, as nothing additional has been written to tape medium. Thanks.

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by byteschubser » Dec 22, 2015 2:42 pm

Ok, we can manual cancel the tape job - but we are missing a shedule option :
A (tape) backup job not completed within a specific amount of time can be automatically canceled by a defined maximum time value.
-> No manual intervention after christmas ;-) or anyone forgot to replace the medium.

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by Dima P. » Dec 22, 2015 11:00 pm

Thanks! Have you checked the As new backup files appear schedule option - it allows to set the backup window for the tape job (last radio button on the screenshot)

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by byteschubser » Jan 06, 2016 4:14 pm

the tape job is scheduled with option "After this job". We will try "As new backup files appear" and define a denied period but I think the job is running and waiting for a tape. So defining a denied period will not work, because it will not cancel a running job. Thats why we think we need an option like: enable automatic cancellation after x hours ...

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Re: Stop tape jobs - Automatic Cancellation feature?

Post by v.Eremin » Jan 07, 2016 8:53 am

Yep, even with backup window enabled, the tape job would not be cancelled. So, your voice is heard.

Though, if you have Veeam ONE deployed, I think I'm able to propose a workaround for you.

Thanks.

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