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64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby bkruczek » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:35 am

Hi Folks,

I wanted to use a 64 GB USB Stick as recovery stick with the backuped data on it. Unfortunately, when creating the recovery media, the stick is formatted with FAT 32, which leaves only 32 GB of the 64 GB as usable space. Why can't formating not be NTFS?

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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:57 pm

Hello Bernd,

It’s a general recommendation from MS for the bootable USB drives creation. Besides, creation of more than one partition on the USB stick is not considered to be a best practice. Correct me if I am wrong but you can’t even do that with MS disk manager/diskpart?
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby bkruczek » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:00 pm

This information is USELESS! I wanted to know why Endpoint doesn't format with NTFS!
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby ninjaburn81 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:37 pm 3 people like this post

Bernd:

Dmitry isn't wrong, it is a M$ recommendation if you are trying to boot from a UEFI enabled PC to use FAT32 formatted drives. It is listed in several different pages/articles, one example here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh825109.aspx If you look under 'Troubleshooting' for creation of a WinPE image:
Most USB flash drives support only a single drive partition. The MakeWinPEMedia command formats the drive as FAT32, which supports booting both BIOS-based and UEFI-based PCs.

Thus Veeam is creating a bootable flash that will work on any PC, regardless if it is BIOS or UEFI enabled. The Veeam guys can correct me if I am wrong but I bet they are using a WinPE creation tool to make their bootable flash drives.

As for this issue as a whole, a simple change of tact may be best. I would suggest this be a feature request, perhaps in the 'advanced' options of the bootable disk creation wizard, that allows you to select which type of PC you are planning on using it for (BIOS or UEFI) and a third option "I don't know" where it will default to FAT32 as it is now.

I hope this helps! :D
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Vitaliy S. » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:38 pm 2 people like this post

Bernd, I think Dmitry has already explained the reason for this decision, besides FAT32 can be recognized in any OS (even Linux/Unix). Adam is spot on also.

I'm sorry to hear that you find this answer "useless", but thanks for letting us know your use case, we will keep it mind when discussing new functionality of Endpoint.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:17 pm 1 person likes this post

Compared to Adam's explanation my is indeed useless :mrgreen: . Thank you guys!
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[MERGED] Feature Request - Option to format USB sticks with

Veeam Logoby bkruczek » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:28 pm

Today, with USB sticks available up to 256 GB, it doesn't make sense to format them with FAT 32 and the 32 GB limit. The possibility to format them with NTFS would use the whole capacity of the stick and make it possible to have both, the bootable recovery medium AND the backup of a system partition on ONE stick.
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby ninjaburn81 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:31 pm 1 person likes this post

Note my previous post for some of the main technical reasons for using FAT32, but there are some other thoughts as well.

ISOs: Since the rescovery disk can be created as an ISO too, which can be either mounted directly, burned, or copied, FAT32 is basically the best/only option here.

Size: even if you have a fleet of PCs and one USB stick available, (Lord help you then!) but reasonably 32GB is more than large enough to contain the necessary files/drivers.

Purpose: really you are creating an emergancy recovery stick that has one primary mission: boot your PC so you can run an emergancy recovery. That's it!

In summary, FAT32 is good enough for now. ;)
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Raycaster » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:38 pm

Can't you simply just format the 64G or 128G with FAT32EX. I have a 64G bootable thumbdrive....
I have a 64G bootable rescue thumb drive with ACR%^&*S but the software is too buggy now. (That's why I'm here).

Basically have your boot partition backed up and saved on a Veeam bootable thumb drive for disaster restore.
Having it autoboot and start the restore function with a simple "Y" would be sweet.
My family has 2 PC's and 2 Laptops so having a "factory restore partition" auto restore in emergencies would be great.

A VEEAM function in the application to make a "CRASH KEY" from a 64/128G thumbdrive.

Have Veeam backup a boot partition and give the user a option to create a bare metal restore key.
It creates an autoboot key and places the backup on the key also.
Veeam would set simply parameters in autoboot that just requires a "Y" to start.

Laptops have factory restore partitions but it would be nice to have a "Custom Updated Factory File" eliminating the need for 48hrs and 3G of updates after restore.
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Dima P. » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:40 pm

Hello Lennard,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Having it autoboot and start the restore function with a simple "Y" would be sweet.

I wonder, which restore point, should be automatically selected in such case?
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Raycaster » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:06 am

I would only allow 1 restore point with FULL BACKUP as space would be low.
A simple Emergency USBKEY that is made to do just one function.

1) AUTOBOOT from USBKEY with Veeam endpoint backup
2) Ask user to confirm TOTAL RESTORE
3) Check to make sure the enduser has matching Hard drives for the Backup file.
4) Complete wipe and restore.

My wife is an librarian at a school and has over 20 machines to look after.
It would be worthwhile to purchase a 64G thumbdrive for every machine for quick restores.
Yes, the machines can be re-imaged from network level but this sometimes take over a week to happen.
It would take a day to back them all up per key but the downtime per machine could be cut from weeks to hours...
Yes I could accomplish this booting from cd- and restoring from an external but the idea of a Emergency USBKEY almost self restoring would greatly simplify the process.
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Mike Resseler » Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:23 am

Lennard,

I'm a fan of the idea... I'm thinking about the following, a special possibility to create an "baseline image disaster recovery USB key".

Meaning, when we start a wizard, we take a full standalone backup, create the recovery image on a USB disk that becomes bootable and put that backup on it.

When booting on that USB, it knows it is the emergency baseline image, asks for confirmation and re-"images" the machine.

Is that what you would like to see?

I'm not sure it is possible, and certainly not for v1 release, but I will look into this further later on....

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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby bkruczek » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:30 am

Yes, that would be great to have the OPTION to format an USB Stick greater than 23 GB with NTFS!!!!! Feature Request!
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby Raycaster » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:32 pm

That's exactly what I was hoping for.

When you say "I'm not sure its not possible", I am probably naive but wonder why?
I do have a 64G USBKEY that autoboots with another companies image based restore software already.
The problem is that although the software runs and I have manually copied the previous backup on to the USBKEY I still have to define SOURCE and DESTINATION.
Another problem is that the software is buggy and very unintuitive making it very easy to screw up.

I think if the EMERGENCY VEEAM USBKEY WIZARD makes assumptions of being just a bare metal restore option not much could go wrong.

I mean if VEEAM endpoint software was script driven (I don't think it is) on boot a simple syntax like c://veeamendpoint.exe -r d://baremetal.img -cc "You will lose all data please confirm restore Y"
-r meaning RESTORE, -cc meaning confirmation comment

The only problems I see are storage size of USBKEYs and format structure. NTFS would not be available (no external USB hard drives), just EXFAT32 formated USBKEYS.
The wizard would have to check the users key for EXFAT32 and if large enough for backup + WEEAM AUTOBOOTING OS.

Heck, you could sell 64/126G USBKEYS with your logo and software all set ready for a one time backup...
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Re: 64 GB USB Stick

Veeam Logoby bkruczek » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:22 pm

No, you can format an USB stick larger than 32 GB with NTFS with several tools.
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