VBO server placement

[matteu]

Hello,

I have customer who need to backup his O365.
I never did it but it doesn't appear to be so complicated. I would like to know what is the best practice about placement. Is it better to install it on the VBR server or better to create new VM and dedicate it to VBO ?
Then, about backup repository, it's better to use "standard" storage I suppose and not deduplication appliance ?
Finally, I don't see any backup copy / backup to tape capabilities. Isn't it possible ? I can only backup to one location ?

Thanks

[Mildur]

Is it better to install it on the VBR server or better to create new VM and dedicate it to VBO ?

Create a new VM and dedicate it to VBO365 with virtual disks from the hypervisor datastore.

Then, about backup repository, it's better to use "standard" storage I suppose and not deduplication appliance ?

Dedup Appliances are not supported. It's best to use a local attached disk (or iSCSI). SMB is experimental support only. And has some disadvantages. VBO365 Server needs to be in the same Domain as the NAS.
My recommendation, use a vbo365 vm with virtual disks. This works for most of all small O365 tennants.
https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/vbo36 ... tml?ver=50
https://www.veeam.com/kb2971

Finally, I don't see any backup copy / backup to tape capabilities. Isn't it possible ? I can only backup to one location ?

Backup Copy is done by taking a backup of the VBO365 VM. Veeam has an vss writer to make sure, that the vbo365 data is consistence in the backup file.
https://bp.veeam.com/vbo/guide/design/3-2-1.html

[Polina]

Hi,

The entire setup is not that complicated indeed.
The server placement depends on your business needs more than tech specifics. If you plan to provide services via Veeam Cloud Connect, then the VBO server should be installed on the same host as VBR.
For repositories, using object storage is recommended. If you decide to go with regular Jet-based repositories, consider that there's a live database under the hood and it's not supported on deduplicated volumes.
Take a look at our Best Practices guide for more hints: https://bp.veeam.com/vbo and also check out the User Guide.

In the current version, there's no support for backup copy/backup to tape, but this will change in the upcoming release.

Hope it helps.

[matteu]

I forgot maybe some important details :

Now VBR use backup repository on nas SMB and backup copy to cloud connect and backup to tape.
This VBR server is on workgroup.

It's possible to do backup to local disk (as mentionned by mildur) + backup to cloud connect directly ?

If not, I have to backup my VBO VM with VBR ok

I already check the use guide but I didn't seen any picture about architecture . I can see a lot on VBR documentation but not here
OK i will check best practice for vbo !

Thanks

[Mildur]

It's possible to do backup to local disk (as mentionned by mildur) + backup to cloud connect directly ?

If you setup a VBO365 vm with local disks, you can use VBR to backup this vm to local disk and do a copy job to the Cloud Connect Repo.
This "VBO365 VM Backup" is the same like any other vm which you backup. You can use Backup Copy Jobs or Backup To Tape Jobs with it.

You can't use a cloud Connect Repo as a target for the VBO365 Backup Jobs.
You need to do a vm or Veeam Agent Backup of this machine first.

[matteu]

I agree with you for VBR to backup this VM but it's a backup from backuped datas... It's Not really optimal but if there is no choice if backup copy is not possible with VBO365

Perfect for your answer

[Mildur]

What you can do, is to do a backup of the vbo365 vm directly to cloud connect. This is supported for VM and Veeam Agent Backups.

The VBO365 restore points are not files. VBO365 stores the backups in Jet Databases. This cannot be copied to cloud connect. Veeam needs to backup the volume with this databases to a vbk/vib file.

That could be done by doing a vm or agent backup job with vbr directly to the cloud connect provider or to using a backup job to a local disk and then a backup copy job to the cloud connect provider.

[matteu]

oh ok it's not a file backup !
I understand better now

Thank you very much for your help

I will test it this weekend probably on my personnal lab

[Mildur]

Your welcome.
If you have any questions, please ask.
I will be available most of the time on weekends if I‘m not on a mountain tour.

[matteu]

I read the BPO guide and I see lot of ressources are recommanded !
32Go RAM is not few ressources for small client... I need to find what my customer can do. Maybe azure VM will be better choice for this need. I see it's possible...

I need to wait tomorow the meeting with him to have more detail about his need

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it !

[Mildur]

What is a small Client for your company? How many Users, Sites and Data do you need to backup?

One of my VBO365 Servers are running for 250 Users and 500 Sites with 8GB RAM. Never had an issue with performance.
If I need more, I can extend the RAM in the hypervisor. For us in Switzerland, this is already a bigger client

As Best Practice, You can go up to 500 Users per Proxy on a 4 Core/8GB RAM Proxy Server:
https://bp.veeam.com/vbo/guide/design/maxconfig

[matteu]

This one is arround 200 users. I don't know how much data, I will know it tomorow . Only 1 site for this backup I guess.
I saw exactly this link and I saw minimum and recommanded configuration. Very often, minimum configuration are just good for lab environment but you say it's ok for you so.. it should be ok for me
I need to know more about their use on sharepoint / teams to be sure

[nozmac]

With reference to having a VBR backup job to cover a secondary backup the o365 data backup.

For a domain consisting of multiple physical sites, can this be achieved merely by having 2 x o365 backup jobs each with their own dedicated backup proxy and repository ?

andymo

[matteu]

I have more information about my customer needs.
It's only for sharepoint. They use it as a "file server" .

I don't know anything about sharepoint but I tried some test on a lab and veeam can't really seen what I create or couldn't restore it... I'm not sure this will be the solution my customer need.
I tried to download files on my site and I can't restore them without restoring the entire site :/

[Mildur]

For a domain consisting of multiple physical sites, can this be achieved merely by having 2 x o365 backup jobs each with their own dedicated backup proxy and repository ?
andymo

Yes, that should be possible. But if the same vbo manages the backup jobs and repos, an attacker can delete both copys from the same console. It‘s not a protection against an attacker, but it would protect you from storage failures.

[Mildur]

I don't know anything about sharepoint but I tried some test on a lab and veeam can't really seen what I create or couldn't restore it... I'm not sure this will be the solution my customer need.
I tried to download files on my site and I can't restore them without restoring the entire site :/

If you follow the guide, then it should be possible to restore single files or folders from a sharepoint site.
Do you have started the Veeam Explorer for Sharepoint from inside the vbo console?

Or do you trying to restore it from the backup in the vbr console?

[matteu]

I create new VM with O365 and I create job to backup only sharepoint user object .
I use basic authentication



I create new Sharepoint site with "new site" (testveeam) and then I add Share library app (Librarytest)
On this Library app I add 1 folder MyFolder1 and in this folder I add test file.

Then, I launch my job backup and it executes without any error.

Finally, I remove my test file and I use Sharepoint explorer from VBO365 console and I cannot seen it.


I see only testveeam site and I cannot restore it because I have this message.


1) I think testveeam was a site, but it doesn't appeats as "site" it's veeam-backup my site. (it's my backup user account) but this is probably because I don't know sharepoint...
2) Why I cannot even seen my "test" file on my test folder ?

Sorry for these "noob" question because I'm sure it's only because I don't know sharepoint... It's not as so easy as windows file share :/

Edit : OK, I think I understand...
New site on my user profile is not a "sharepoint site".
To create sharepoint site I need to use Admin console.
When I use admin console and create new site and add documents to it, I can restore them !

[Mildur]

Yes, Sharepoint is really complicated.
I'm happy that I only are responsible for our Exchange Online Environments (next to veeam).
Sharepoint is something I really don't like.