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Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by m.sauter » May 26, 2014 10:17 am 1 person likes this post

Hi,

does anyone have a solution to backup NetApp Cifs with B&R V7 (Standard) ....

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by Vitaliy S. » May 26, 2014 10:34 am

Hello Marc,

Can you please clarify your question as it is possible to backup to any CIFS share even now?

Thank you!

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by Gostev » May 26, 2014 7:12 pm

Marc is asking about backing up files from CIFS share. The only to options today are File to Tape jobs, or File Copy jobs (not very scalable).

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by m.sauter » May 27, 2014 1:21 pm 1 person likes this post

Yes that is what i ask.
Cause if i can Not backup cifs volumes from netapp i need a second backup software
That is Not what Customers wanna have :(

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by veremin » May 27, 2014 1:26 pm

As mentioned, you can backup such shares with the use of files jobs, either files to tape or file copy one. Both have their own limitation, though. The performance of former one might not be that perfect, the later one is not very scalable. So, I recommend you testing both and seeing whether they answer your requirements. Thanks.

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by m.sauter » May 30, 2014 6:31 am

So we can say - Veeam ist not a perfect backup solution for NetApp - cause 95% of NetApp customers using CIFS directly on the NetApp FAS Filer.
Thats not what the market needs - If they pray NetApp support .... they should do a full job not a half one ...

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by foggy » May 30, 2014 9:30 am

But Veeam B&R is not a file-level backup solution... we do virtual machine backup, and our NetApp support messaging relates solely to that.

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by Gostev » May 30, 2014 9:41 pm

Marc, could you please estimate the amount of files and overall data size of your NetApp CIFS shares? And perhaps total amount and size of virtual machines you have, just to help me understand what is the ratio of data stored in VMFS vs. CIFS in your environment.

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by klin8251 » Jun 17, 2014 4:34 pm

Do you know if there is any possibility that support will be added to backing up NetAPP CIFS shares with the release of version 8? It would be great to backup NETAPP CIFS snapshots and have the ability to restore (with permissions). Do you if any work has been done on this front?

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by Yuki » Jun 17, 2014 6:56 pm

Anton,
We are also looking for a solution to backup our customer's NetApp infrastructure. There are only a few dozen TBs of VMDKs, but about 190TB of CIFS data. Right now the customer is using ComVault+ 2x4 drive tape loaders but asked us to find a new solution that doesnt involve tapes. Our favorite solution (Veeam) doesn't have this (at least not until v8 with netapp integration comes around, but even then, i believe you will only be doing it at snapshot level.

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by Vitaliy S. » Jun 17, 2014 7:02 pm

Peter, backup of CIFS shares is not going to be part of v8 release, but thanks for the feedback. Also can you please estimate the files amount/size that Anton is trying to find out in the post above?

@Yuki, thanks for the numbers!

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Re: B&R 7 Std. -> Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by klin8251 » Jun 23, 2014 4:11 pm

We will have about a 50% VM (6 TB) to 50% CIFS (6 TB) ratio stored on our NetAPP. I am really disappointed that NetAPP CIFS will not be part of version 8. I was really hoping you guys could pull this off. Thank-you for the update. Just food for thought without being an expert in this area...integrate two backup jobs for Netapp CIFS shares. 1 job backs up the CIFS snapshot and a second (File Copy job?) copies off NTFS permissions. Two step restore process, but have the speed of backing up snapshots (and incremental backups). Hope this makes sense.

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[MERGED] Can Veeam back up a NetApp CIFS share?

Post by silus » Sep 12, 2014 10:09 am

Hi,
I see that Veeam has some pretty tight integration with NetApp and its snapshots.

I am looking into the possibility of using Veeam over NetApp Snap Protect. One thing that Snap protect does for us right now is backup NetApp CIFS shares by taking snapshots and then offloading to tape.

Can Veeam do this functionality as well? Or does it solely snapshot those volumes used for vSphere?

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Re: Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by ssharlow » Oct 30, 2014 8:01 pm

This still is a big issue and causes issues. If the file copy option performed better, then would would not be as big of a problem. One issue is that the NTFS permissions are not preserved on a file copy job, which creates unnecessary steps/delay/cause for mistake when doing a restore. If I had truly understood this limitation, I may not have gone all in with Veeam. Using NetApp SMB/CIFS has so many advantages inherently, but in order to get Veeam to allow backup of main file shares, you need to create a Win VM and do traditional file sharing and then back up the VM. This is less than ideal but you could argue that it does have it's advantages. Veeam needs to either improve the file copy tool, work with MS to get into SMB, or work with NetApp to enable getting into those CIFS/SMB snapshots and work your magic. Supposedly you are getting into them anyway in V8. Basically Veeam is leaving out 50% of the purpose of a NAS. The conclusion is that Veeam really is a VM backup tool only, and doesn't really compete with other products out there, playing into the marketing speak of other vendors.

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Re: Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by NavyDavy20 » Jul 27, 2015 3:30 pm 1 person likes this post

I would like to suggest a future update to the Veeam Software.
As you are already integrated with NetApp it would be an added bonus to be able to take snapshots and backup a NetApp VM(filer) that supports CIF shares.

70% of our data is maintained on these shares requiring us to preserve it on site and off. It would be nice to have one software that is capable of handling both the VMWare and the NetApp VMs.

Please pursue this as it would definitely give your company an edge in this realm.
It seems to be a popular item in this forum and others.

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Re: Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by emachabert » Jul 27, 2015 9:36 pm 1 person likes this post

I agree that those NAS boxes are a real concern when it comes to backup/restore. But perhaps future is more about VM/Software defined than hardware/vendor specific solutions.
We see a lot a of our customers leaving the "hardware/vendor" NAS solutions to VM based NAS (W2K12/R2 or RHSS), even on huge volumes (they scale-out instead of scaling-up aka "controller upgrade").
They are ok to leave some features to get a more agile/flexible solution, with no specific licencing, no specific antivirus, no specific backup & restore, no dedicated hardware and a greater lifetime.
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Re: Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by snovak » Jan 09, 2017 5:18 pm 1 person likes this post

I second NavyDavy20's request. We're using our NetApp appliance for both VM's as well as shares for our corporation. A means to back those up using Veeam would be ideal, instead of having two solutions in place.

Please advise us when something has been put in the works?

Thank you.

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Re: Backup NetApp CIFS ??

Post by thomas321 » Jan 12, 2017 5:27 am

Same here, we really look forward to a solution that allows dedupe and incrementals. Even in a workaround combination with the endpoint product.

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