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Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 03, 2015 7:02 am

Hello.

I was hoping someone could offer some insight/advice. I would like to set the following up:

Daily (INCR) - 8 day retention
Weekly (FULL) - 5 week retention
Monthly (FULL) - 13 months retention
Yearly (FULL) - 2 year retention

I would like the file naming format to reflect the type of backup, so I believe I need 4 jobs each named accordingly.

The reason for the naming is we wish to use AWS S3 lifecycle policies through the console and they are quite simplistic.

I have looked over the GFS in Veeam 8 and it looks like it has promise but I don't think I quite understand how it could be configured to do what I need. I could create 4 different jobs but I would like to avoid the job stacking where the weekly + monthly run either at the same time or in close enough proximity for one to be moot. A rolling weekly full with the ability to somehow rename and tag one as a monthly/yearly would be ideal.

Hopefully that's clear, any advice would be really appreciated!

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by Shestakov » Feb 03, 2015 8:32 am

Hello Daniel and welcome to the forum!
Backup copy job with GFS retention policy is exactly what you need to avoid backup files duplication.
You just need to create backup job and backup copy job with corresponding retention. Please get familiar with the provided links and ask additional questions if you have any. Thanks.

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 04, 2015 4:33 am

Hi Shestakov,

Thanks for your reply and welcome :)

I have read over the documentation again and thought this may be close to what I am after. However I still can't think of a reliable way to name the backup files appropriately. Prefixs of daily- weekly- monthly- yearly-

Backup Job
- 8 Restore points
- No active fulls (these aren't required in this config?)
- Runs Daily 10pm Mon - Friday
- Configured with secondary target (Backup Job Copy)

Backup Job Copy
- Copy every 1 day @ 8:00AM
- Keep 8 restore points (should this number match up to the restore points specified in Backup Job?)
- Archival settings
- Weekly : 5 : Saturday 10PM
- Monthly : 13 : 1st Saturday of month
- Yearly : 2 : First Sunday of year

Many thanks for your insight.

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by Shestakov » Feb 04, 2015 9:36 am

Daniel,

Glad you have more understanding now. Your plan looks sane.
I just have some comments.
daniel_rogers wrote:Backup Job...
... No active fulls (these aren't required in this config?)
They are not required by the config and here is a post explaining why. However, if it`s required by your company`s policy, you can schedule it.
daniel_rogers wrote: Backup Job Copy...
...Keep 8 restore points (should this number match up to the restore points specified in Backup Job?)
It`s not obligatory, up to you.
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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 05, 2015 6:36 am

Thank you again for your reply.

Would it be possible to set up this configuration:

Backup Job: Daily_
Backup Copy Jobs (3 separate jobs): Weekly_, Monthly_, Yearly_

Each backup copy job has the respective time frames of (5 weeks, 13 months, 2 years)

This way the files would be created with the appropriate names. Thanks for your assistance :)

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by veremin » Feb 05, 2015 9:04 am

100 days is the longest sync interval you can specify for a backup copy job. So, the described approach wouldn't work, at least, for yearly job.

Anyway, is the naming such a big deal, when you can easily go to the GUI and see a corresponding label nearby GFS restore point ("W" - weekly, "Y" - yearly, etc.)?

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by Shestakov » Feb 05, 2015 11:26 am

Daniel,
Technically you can schedule second backup job to run annually, but indeed, the most elegant and least resource consumable solution is one backup job and once backup copy job, as was mentioned above.
Is naming the only obstacle? As Vladimir wrote, using GFS you will have "W", "M", "Y" labels.
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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 05, 2015 11:46 pm

Hello,

Thank you both for your replies, I really appreciate the assistance.

In an effort to understand how this works I have upgraded to Veeam 8 and set up the new policies. I understand what you mean about having just one backup copy job and have removed the others. I will find another way around the renaming. (incidentally the names are important for the AWS lifecycle policies - I will need a reliable way to determine what is a Daily/Weekly/Monthly/Yearly in order to apply policies that move the files to Glacier storage after x time).

I have found that the backup copy job needs to target a different repository otherwise it will not find new restore points! This was important :)

I have just simulated a 'sync' and I can see it creating a new .vbk in the backup copy job repository. I think I understand how it works now, please correct me if I am wrong:

The backup job is configured as Incremental, without synthetic fulls or active fulls. This runs at 10pm each weekday. At the time specified within backup copy job, (whether weekly/monthly etc) it will scan the repo that contains the incrementals and create a new .vbk in a separate repo.

Questions:

This .vbk file that is created by the backup copy job - is this akin to an active full backup?
Is the only difference between this method and an active full method that it is getting the data from another repository instead of the source?
If I copied only this .vbk file, would that be enough to perform a complete restore from?
If so, then sending the weekly/monthly/yearly .vbk files created by the backup copy job to AWS etc should be sufficient?

In the backup job, do I need to specify backup copy job as a secondary target in order for it to work or will it do it's thing anyway as long as it's created and enabled?


Thank you again!

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 06, 2015 6:41 am

Sorry and one more question..

If I have GFS policy configured for weekly/monthly/yearly, won't these be doubling up occasionally?

e.g. the yearly running on a weekend will possibly run with the monthly and the weekly. Apart from the i/o I don't think this is a particular issue but it would probably take longer than the weekend to complete 3 such backups.

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by Shestakov » Feb 06, 2015 10:01 am

Daniel,
daniel_rogers wrote:The backup job is configured as Incremental, without synthetic fulls or active fulls. This runs at 10pm each weekday. At the time specified within backup copy job, (whether weekly/monthly etc) it will scan the repo that contains the incrementals and create a new .vbk in a separate repo.
This .vbk file that is created by the backup copy job - is this akin to an active full backup?
Copied backup files have the same format as those created by backup jobs and you can use any data recovery option for them.
Note that, the first synchronization interval of the backup copy job always produces a full backup file. If the backup chain on the source backup repository was created using the forward incremental backup method, Veeam Backup & Replication copies data blocks from the first full backup and a set of incremental backups to form a full backup of a VM as of the most recent state.
daniel_rogers wrote:Is the only difference between this method and an active full method that it is getting the data from another repository instead of the source?
Again, backup copy job just copies existing backups to another repository.
daniel_rogers wrote:If I copied only this .vbk file, would that be enough to perform a complete restore from?
Correct. Backup copy job creates full backup for the first run, but can copy incremental backups. You can restore from both full (.vbk) and incremental (.vib) backup files.
daniel_rogers wrote:If so, then sending the weekly/monthly/yearly .vbk files created by the backup copy job to AWS etc should be sufficient?
Correct.
daniel_rogers wrote:In the backup job, do I need to specify backup copy job as a secondary target in order for it to work or will it do it's thing anyway as long as it's created and enabled?
No, it`s not obligatory. When creating backup copy job, you can just choose the backup job which restore points you want to copy.
daniel_rogers wrote:If I have GFS policy configured for weekly/monthly/yearly, won't these be doubling up occasionally?
The files will not be duplicated. That`s one of main advantages of GFS retention.
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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by foggy » Feb 06, 2015 12:43 pm

daniel_rogers wrote:I will find another way around the renaming. (incidentally the names are important for the AWS lifecycle policies - I will need a reliable way to determine what is a Daily/Weekly/Monthly/Yearly in order to apply policies that move the files to Glacier storage after x time).
Each GFS restore point has a corresponding postfix in its file name (<filename>_WMQY.vbk), you can use this for determination.

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 09, 2015 1:01 am

Thank you both for your replies, they have helped me greatly.
Each GFS restore point has a corresponding postfix in its file name (<filename>_WMQY.vbk), you can use this for determination.
The filename that was created was BCJ_2015-02-06T080000.vbk, there was not weekly suffix. Do I need to specify this change somewhere?

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by veremin » Feb 09, 2015 9:27 am

What retention settings does the backup copy job have? It seems that weekly restore point has not been created yet, the GFS point will be created when current retention settings are reached, and the oldest restore point will be moved to the day specified for GFS restore point creation. Thanks.

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 11, 2015 6:52 am

The backup copy job has:

8 restore points
5 weekly (Sat 8:00am)
13 monthly (1st Sat of month)
2 yearly (1st Sat of year)

Currently I have it set to copy every 7 days and restricted the transfer time between 8am Saturday and 8am Monday.

The main backup job has been configured with 14 restore points. Runs weekdays 10pm.

Does that sound ok?

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by veremin » Feb 11, 2015 9:42 am

As mentioned, you'll have to wait till there are 8 restore points in backup copy job chain, and, then, till the oldest restore point (.vbk) is moved to the corresponding day. Thanks.

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by daniel_rogers » Feb 11, 2015 10:50 pm

So the frequency needs to be increased to every day? Otherwise it will be 7 weeks before it does this..so confusing!

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Re: Backup lifecycle advice

Post by foggy » Feb 12, 2015 9:25 am

Yes, besides, initially you were talking about daily copies:
daniel_rogers wrote:Daily (INCR) - 8 day retention

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