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Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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Hi,

after reading and testing the changes of V12, I have some questions.

1. Healthchecks are now scheduled independent of backup jobs. Can we start it manually? Best for me would be with powershell or trigger healthchecks after backups completed?

2. Is it possible to send E-Mails with the results of the healthecks?

3. Can we change the time of the background retention? At the moment its hardcoded at "every 24 hours at 00:30"?

4. I have an backup repository on an SMB share, how would I make it immutable?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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1. Not per Powershell, at least. There's only the very specific Start-VBRNASBackupHealthCheck command.
2. Good question
3. I'd very much like that. 00:30 is highly inconvenient for me.
4. Immutability is impossible on SMB, afaik. The protocol doesn't allow for it.
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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3. is just not very smart if it has still the same impact as with V11a. We have jobs where deleting the ~10000 points of one job takes > 12 hours. In that time all other backups run significantly slower. It would thus make sense to be run at daytime when there are less backups running!
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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steamrick wrote: Mar 14, 2023 7:56 pm 1. Not per Powershell, at least. There's only the very specific Start-VBRNASBackupHealthCheck command.
2. Good question
3. I'd very much like that. 00:30 is highly inconvenient for me.
4. Immutability is impossible on SMB, afaik. The protocol doesn't allow for it.
1. Is it possible at all, when not with powershell? I did see the command "Start-VBRNASBackupHealthCheck" but its only for NAS Backup I think. Or is it possible to do the healthcheck after the backup like in v11?
4. Do you have an advice for immutable backups with veeam on a repository which is placed on a synology?
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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@mkretzer - Gostev posted regkeys to change the time here: veeam-backup-replication-f2/scheduling- ... 85775.html

@thatstheplace:
1. There doesn't seem to be a function to trigger one, but you can set the time for 5 minutes after you save the job...
4. I think you only chance is to run a linux hardened repository VM on it like described here: https://infrageeks.com/post/2022-01-27. ... ology-nas/

If you're stuck with the Synology, maybe do offline backup copies onto USB HDDs? Offline is another form of immutability...
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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1) Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck
Undocumented command :)

Maybe we will document it in the future.

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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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@Mildur - Nice, thanks! Could you give an example for such a call?

I tried "Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck -?" but there aren't any examples. It says:

SYNTAX
Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck [-Backup] <CBackup> [[-Oib] <COib>] [-RunAsync] [<CommonParameters>]

But where do I get CBackup?

My problem is that, when I'm calling Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck -Backup "Server Backup" I get an error:

Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck : Der Parameter "Backup" kann nicht gebunden werden. Der Wert "Veeam.Backup.Core.CBackupJob" vom Typ "Veeam.Backup.Core.CBackupJob" kann nicht in den Typ
"Veeam.Backup.Core.CBackup" konvertiert werden.
In Zeile:1 Zeichen:36
+ Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck -Backup "Server Backup"
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+ CategoryInfo : InvalidArgument: (:) [Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck], ParameterBindingException
+ FullyQualifiedErrorId : CannotConvertArgumentNoMessage,Veeam.Backup.PowerShell.Cmdlets.StartVBRBackupHealthCheck

My backup job name is Server Backup, the hostname of the device is Server. With "Server" I just get the error that there aren't found any jobs named like this.

@Mildur - Do you have such a hidden feature for point 2 too? Could we send E-Mails with the results of the healtchecks?

@steamrick - Thanks! I will think about the linux hardened repository VM!
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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steamrick wrote: Mar 14, 2023 11:36 pm @mkretzer - Gostev posted regkeys to change the time here: veeam-backup-replication-f2/scheduling- ... 85775.html
Very nice, thank you!
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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@thatstheplace
I need to check the command again. I'll give you an update.
@Mildur - Do you have such a hidden feature for point 2 too? Could we send E-Mails with the results of the healtchecks?
Will also come back on this point.

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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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thatstheplace wrote: Mar 15, 2023 4:40 pm But where do I get CBackup?
Hi,
you first get the backup object of your job and pipe this to the command.

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Get-VBRBackup -Name "Server Backup" | Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck
That was all I had to do in my lab.

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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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I am interested in the OP's #2, emails for health checks. It does not seem like the health check for a job uses the same email settings for the parent job (i.e.: backup job has emails set for failures only, but if the health check fails no email is sent).
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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marco.horstmann wrote: Mar 20, 2023 8:57 am Hi,
you first get the backup object of your job and pipe this to the command.

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Get-VBRBackup -Name "Server Backup" | Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck
That was all I had to do in my lab.

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Seems that this command actually doesn't do anything. We are investigating.
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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thatstheplace wrote: Mar 14, 2023 10:53 pm 4. Do you have an advice for immutable backups with veeam on a repository which is placed on a synology?
For what it's worth, I have begun rolling out QNAP NAS devices with their QuObjects to achieve local immutability. Maybe you could sell the Synology and replace with a QNAP?
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Re: Multiple questions after upgrade to V12

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A small update:
2. Is it possible to send E-Mails with the results of the healthecks?
Not yet. Will be solved by a future update.
Start-VBRBackupHealthCheck - Seems that this command actually doesn't do anything. We are investigating.
The command doesn't work with the new V12 backup chain type. Using the scheduler is the only method to run a health check immediately. Configure the health check scheduler a few minutes from now and the health check will start.

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