Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

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Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby tkeith » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:14 pm 2 people like this post

Hi All,
Wanted to put it out there if others have tried to leverage Veeam to do NetApp level snapshots on top of their regular streaming backups. We have a large organization and struggle to backup our environment in a regular backup window. We decided we could use Veeam to trigger storage snapshot backups directly using the NetApp. We understand the limitation is all files for a VM need to be on the same volume in order to restore without issues. This looks to be a large percentage of our environment and we could significantly reduce the backup times by leveraging this through Veeam and providing the ease of restoration.

Now some of our more important VMs like DB servers for example have multiple VMDK's spread across different volumes (say SSD, SATA, SAS, etc). Trying to leverage the restore capability within veeam is not possible due to them being across these different volumes.

In our environment, trying to backup 4000-8000 VMs in an 8 hour backup window, using veeam for this piece would make meeting these requirements possible and significantly reduce the virtual infrastructure footprint we required to stream this amount of VMs in our backup window.

Does anyone else use Veeam to backup a large environment and try to leverage a portion, or all, of it using NetApp snapshot jobs and see this as a valuable feature to request?

The ability to restore a VM thats across multiple volumes in NetApp snapshots could be a huge plus for us.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:10 pm

Keith, you're correct regarding the limitation and we've already had several similar requests. So thank you for the feedback. I would just note that VMs that span multiple LUNs/datastores can be successfully restored without any issues from Veeam B&R backup files, it is just restore from storage snapshots that is not supported for such VMs. Thanks.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby dwoerz » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:07 pm

Not to drag up an older topic but I have the following comments...

Using the Veeam backup files to do a vm restore ties up the Veeam backup files so no new backups can be taken.
We like to take backups of our main sql database hourly throughout the day but since Veeam cannot restore from the san snapshots because of different volumes I have to backup to Veeam storage But with doing this, I cannot do an instant vm restore for testing or the sandbox functionality because I need the backup files free for the next hourly backup.

While I am a small shop with 20-25 vm's, and can backup all of my vm's in 2-3 hours, I also do not have the superfast storage for backups. So functionality like the instant vm restore or running a vm in a sandbox has to be done from the Veeam storage because of the different volumes. This functionality would be a lot faster if it were run from the same storage that the production vm's were run from.

I am not entirely sure why this functionality is missing, Veeam already has the san perform the NetApp snapshots on the other volumes and Veeam is already aware of the other volumes... Hopefully this will be something that makes it into a release soon.

Thanks.
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[MERGED] Instant VM Recovery with vmdk's on different datast

Veeam Logoby Henk Ruis » Tue May 17, 2016 1:57 pm

Hi,

Anyone experienced with Instant VM Recovery on a NetApp snapshot(BFSS), where the vmdk's reside on different datastores/volumes, that the VM is is not completely restored?
My experience is that a Instant recovery only restore the vmdk's that resides with the VM and in that snapshot on the NetApp volume.

Is there a way to overcome this issue? I like to have the complete VM on a restore (also a FULL recovery does not solve this issue)

There is some kind of logic in this because the vmdk in the other datastore is saved in another snapshot/volume.
This snapshot is not mounted to the ESXi server when the VM is build up from the other snapshot.

Note:
A VM must be completely placed within the surrounding of a datastore in that way.
A Instant VM restore from the repository works fine so thats not the issue (also part of the JOB) but here the VM is presented throughout the PowerNFS share to a ESXi host.
And all the disk are in the repository.

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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue May 17, 2016 3:10 pm

Henk, this is currently a known limitation.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby mattisonward » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:33 pm

Almost all of our VMs have disks on multiple Netapp backed datastores, so I agree that this would be really useful and the feature is almost useless because of this limitation at this point.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby csinetops » Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:01 pm

Agreed, we would use it but can't due to this limitation.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby Setareh » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:28 am

I agree too. We are using Nimble and we were waiting a long time for this feature and now that it out, it is useless for use because of this limitation. We really need restoring from storage snapshots as hourly backups in veeam are slow due to the merge process. Hopefully Veeam address this soon and consider finding a solution for VMs with disks on multiple datastores.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:12 am

Yes, this is on our table. Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby csinetops » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:40 pm

+1 as a request from us. This limitation keeps us from using the NetApp integration with Veeam.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:22 pm

Setareh wrote:We are using Nimble

Pardon my potential ignorance, but I have always been curious what is the point of spreading VM across different LUNs when it comes to the modern storage?

Sure, when I was young it made sense to deploy Exchange and SQL with database and logs on different spindles of a physical server with internal storage - but what is the point of doing so with the modern SAN, when I/O from all LUNs gets blended and lands on the same bunch of spindles (or SSD cache in your case) anyway?
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby Setareh » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:35 pm

No worries. One reason is that we are using hybrid array not all flash and we don't want the logs to be cached but we want the active data be cached to have better performance.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby csinetops » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:01 pm

Gostev wrote:Pardon my potential ignorance, but I have always been curious what is the point of spreading VM across different LUNs when it comes to the modern storage?

Sure, when I was young it made sense to deploy Exchange and SQL with database and logs on different spindles of a physical server with internal storage - but what is the point of doing so with the modern SAN, when I/O from all LUNs gets blended and lands on the same bunch of spindles (or SSD cache in your case) anyway?


We have a hybrid NetApp array that has flash cache for some of the disk but not all. We use this in a tiered manner for our file servers. The server will have a disk or two on a LUN that has flash cache for the OS drive and fast file storage drive. It will also have a disk on a non-flash cached LUN for files that are not accessed as much.
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Re: Restore from NetApp Snapshot (Multi-Volume)

Veeam Logoby ARadschun » Thu May 18, 2017 10:21 am

Hi,

we need this feature, too. We have different storage tiers for our customers. Currently, however, our customers do not have the possibility to mix the storage tier within a Vm. So for us this is an important feature, because we sell different storage tiers!

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