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Servers moving to private cloud. How to setup backups?

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Hi.
Our servers are moving from on-prem to private cloud (from vmware to hosted vmware) but the backup responsibility still remains on us. I was wondering what the best way to setup Veeam would be when there is only a 200mb/s link between the office and server location. Currently we have a physical server hosting Veeam B&R with a SAS tape device attached to it.

I was wondering would it be best to simply install the B&R to a virtual machine on the private cloud in order to keep backup and restore times in a usable level? But then we still have to be able to take and restore from the tapes as well so how would I incorporate the old backup server+tape device to the equation? Do I need two Veeam B&R servers with one in the private cloud running on a virtual machine and then our old server here on prem. Once the server in private cloud has taken a backup there is a copy job to our on prem server that writes it to tape? Would this double our license costs?

On top or everything else I need to do with the million things I got, figuring this out somehow makes my brain go brrrrrr :?
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Re: Servers moving to private cloud. How to setup backups?

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Hi krokotiili, welcome to the forums.

Placement here is largely a matter of preference -- there is some wisdom in having VBR hosted as well, but in this setup, you will benefit from a little planning on the jobs.

Deploy proxy servers on the hosted vmware instance to handle the backups -- I'm guessing you're using VMware on AWS/Azure or something similar, and we have KB articles that detail the considerations for such deployments:

https://www.veeam.com/kb2414
https://www.veeam.com/kb4012

Using Object Storage based repositories probably makes sense depending on where you are hosting the environment, but you can also use a normal VM for storing backups as the KB articles note.

For the physical tape server, a few approaches, but I think easiest is to have a "staging" repository close to the tape server and use Backup Copy jobs to keep a small number of backups close to the tape server for tape-out. Backup Copy is designed to be resilient over WAN.

With such a setup, you will keep the traffic local to each site, and only the backup copies will have cross-WAN traffic.
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Re: Servers moving to private cloud. How to setup backups?

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Hi David and thank you for your response. The environment our servers are moving in to is not AWS or AZ but rather a hosted VMware environment where our network will be extended. I was wondering if it's possible to keep our current B&R server and just add a VMware backup proxy to the new hosted environment? We could take backups to a local disk there, do a copy job to transfer backups in to our local backup storage and then write to tape?
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Re: Servers moving to private cloud. How to setup backups?

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The one main question I have on this environment - do you have full access to your VMware stack in the private cloud? If you do, then setting up proxies in that environment and setting up your backup jobs would work just fine.

However, my guess is you do not have access to the underlying infrastructure, and you are only running workloads on it. Possibly through VMware Cloud Director or just plain vCenter. Either way, your options become more limited if your service provider doesn't offer backup services. In that case I'd recommend installing Veeam Agent on those VMs and setting up those jobs accordingly.
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Re: Servers moving to private cloud. How to setup backups?

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Hi krokotiili,

I work for a VMware service provider and Veeam partner so have some knowledge of the challenges you are facing.

As Tyler said, your access to the VMware infrastructure is going to dictate the best solution. If this is vSphere based hosting and you have access to the hosts and vCenter you can set up Veeam as you would with on-prem VMware. If you don't have access and / or the environment is VMware Cloud Director based then your only option is going to be Veeam Agent based backups. In the second option, the service provider can deploy a multi-tenant backup solution integrated in vSphere or Cloud Director but the end customer can't. If this is your situation and the provider doesn't offer a backup solution I'd suggest asking them some pointy questions.

Regarding placement of the VBR server, if your critical infrastructure is running in the hosted infrastructure I'd be tempted to keep the VBR on-prem and deploy proxy servers in the cloud environment to take care of data movement. The VBR will only be the control plane in this design and the bandwidth requirements will be minimal. Should your critical infrastructure be unavailable, you still have access to your backup system and a copy of your data if you put some thought into your repository design. If you suffer an outage in your on-prem environment, only your ability to back up is compromised and if you take a periodic VBR config backup and store it offsite you can recover the VBR into the private cloud to recover from this situation.

When planning where to put your data you need to consider Veeam's best practice 3-2-1-1-0 rule along with data locality and cost (https://community.veeam.com/blogs-and-p ... p-rule-569).

Option 1.
If you have high bandwidth / low latency from the private cloud to an object storage provider, i.e. you're hosting in a hyperscale provider or in close proximity to a specialist provider's POP, such as Wasabi, I would look to store your primary backups there. These are the backups you would use first to restore service so they need to be the most up to date and fastest to restore. You can then do copy jobs from this repository to your on-prem repository and then off to tape if you wish (you can meet the immutability "1" in the rule with relatively short term immutability on the object repository and / or with a tape copy - I'd be tempted to do 30 day immutability on the object storage plus weekly tapes for log term immutable copies). Watch out for egress fees when planning this however.

Option 2.
If you don't have good connectivity to an object storage platform, a repository running as a VM in the private cloud may be an option but you need to get this hosted on physically different storage to your workloads. If it isn't obvious how you can do this, ask your provider. Again, use copy jobs to get a copy of this data either to on-prem or elsewhere and make sure there is some immutability in use somewhere.

I hope that's useful and provides some food for thought.
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