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Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazon s3

Veeam Logoby rganer » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:18 pm

I'm new to Veeam backup and I am trying to understand how to move my backups from my local repository to Amazon s3 using Veeam 8 that came out today. I saw that there was a cloud edition for V7 of veeam but that doesnt seem to work with the V8 trial install/license.

I need to know all the components necessary to backup hypev vms to a iscsi storage repository then copy new backups to Amazon from the san. Amazon doesnt appear as an option unders service providers in the V8 trial I installed today.

Any help would be appreciated so I can make a purchasing decision on veeam this month.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:52 pm

For direct backup to Amazon, consider using Amazon Storage Gateway.

However, note that direct backup to public clouds has severe drawbacks comparing to Cloud Connect. The difference is pretty dramatic - simply copying existing backup filess to the cloud (and then back, before you can restore) vs. native Veeam repository in the cloud that supports all B&R functionality (including forever-incremental backups, WAN optimization, WAN acceleration, and most importantly - restore directly from cloud repository).
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby awellendorf » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:07 pm

I'm also looking to do this but to Amazon Glacier. I had used v7 Cloud Edition and was able to send backup to AWS Glacier without the AWS Storage Gateway. Now it seems that with v8 I have to use the AWS Storage Gateway to do this. AWS Storage Gateway is an extra $125/month/Gateway. Anyone else doing this on v8 yet and if so what are your opinions?
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Veeam Logoby bsoosay » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:04 pm

I'm using Veeam Backup and Replication version 7.

With this version, can I push my backups to the cloud, specifically looking at AWS.

If this is possible, how do I do this and where do I find the configuration settings for this please.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:42 pm

You might want to consider using Amazon Storage Gateway to get seamless tape-like backup experience to Amazon S3 and Amazon Glacier. However, backing up to a Veeam Cloud Connect provider is a better choice with v8, as explained above. Thanks.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby rganer » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:27 pm

The list of cloud connect providers seem to be very small. Will this list expand anytime soon? Will amazon support veeam cloud connect?

Also I found some documentation that veeam is suggesting using Cloudberry enterprise edition to any one install veeam v8 and need access to amazon s3 backup buckets.

Im evaluating the software and like it but my supervisor is dead set on using Amazon s3 to archive our backups offsite. I need to make sure how arechive to Amazon will work with veeam v8 if we decide to use this backup software. Right now its a little confusing as to what is supported. V7 had cloud edtition which is similar to cloudberry but v8 has cloud connect but it doesnt seem to support the Amazon s3 service.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:32 pm

Will this list expand anytime soon?

Yes, this will be expanded with time. However, during the first month after v8 release, the listing is exclusive to the 25 launch partners.

Also I found some documentation that veeam is suggesting using Cloudberry enterprise edition to any one install veeam v8 and need access to amazon s3 backup buckets.

May I ask you to provide a link for that document?

I'm evaluating the software and like it but my supervisor is dead set on using Amazon s3 to archive our backups offsite.

Not sure whether it helps, but you can try to highlight benefits of using Cloud Connect over Cloud Edition, like ability to restore granular data without copying the whole image, etc.

Thanks.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby rganer » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:18 pm

v.Eremin wrote:May I ask you to provide a link for that document?

http://www.veeam.com/backup-cloud-editi ... g-faq.html
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:36 am

Indeed, you can stick to the approach outlined in that document, and get the said license at no charge. However, I still strongly suggest to consider using Cloud Connect in conjunction with a local service provider suiting your needs, since the benefits you'll get make all the difference. Thanks!
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby rganer » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:18 pm

Thanks for you help. I'm still testing how to get backups to Amazon. Hopefully sometime soon cloud connect will support Amazon s3 storage. The current list of service providers are a no go for my Vice President. He likes well known service providers as we are looking to move off of Seagate Evault backup to sometime more cost effective.

I am looking int Amazon AWS Storage Gateway as an option to use with Veeam v8. Aws storage gateway is looking like the better alternative for my relatively small environment.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:09 pm

Does recovery time matter for your VP? Make sure he realizes that with Amazon, granular recoveries directly from the cloud will not be possible (you will need hours/days and lots of $$$ to download all required backups locally first). So, I will question "cost effectiveness", unless of course he plans cloud backups that he will never have to do restores from.

More generally speaking though, Amazon is not the best choice for offsite backup, and ironically this is specifically because they are "well known" and have lots of users.

For example, a couple of years ago Amazon has lost data of some 100'000 users. Two weeks later, they have reported that they have restored data for 98% (or so) of impacted end users. Now, think more about this. This means 2000 (sic!) users lost their data completely... the fact that the provider was "well known" did not really help. Nor it will help you to avoid ending up in those thousands of users.

Besides, 98% of "lucky" ones had zero control on their data restore process. About 50'000 or so of those users had to wait over a week (sic!) for their data to become available, and could not do anything about it... you cannot really pick up the phone and call Amazon, and expect them to start recovering YOUR data first? They will instead recover everyone in some unpredictable order, because they have no insight on importance of content availability for the particular user (nor do they care). They may spend 10 days recovering family picture archives (without knowing this can wait), and you will wait for your very important backup (without them knowing you are waiting). Way too many users for any sort of personal approach to be plausible, hard to blame them for this!

With local service provider, it's a different experience - you can even be there on-site to make sure you are in that 1% of users whose data will be first to be recovered ;)

More importantly, the only purpose of backup is recovery, so think about those disaster recovery scenarios why are you looking to backup to cloud in the first place... for some reason, people never consider this. How many days it will take to download all your backups in case of entire site loss? Do some math on what will be the cost of such data recovery (especially with Glacier, but even with S3)? On the other hand, with local provider, you can hop in the car with 12-bay NAS, and be back in a few hours with all of your backups in hands. You don't get this flexibility with those huge public clouds?

So there are lots and lots of considerations behind choosing the service providers for off-site backups, and just going with "well known" ones for perceived cost effectiveness has lots of implications around the very reason of doing off-site backups in a first place: recovering from entire site disasters.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:07 am

I have been backing up our historical data using fast-glazier and a backup up copy job every 3 months. I tried using the VTL and the storage gateway in AWS, but the AWS VTL isn't support in Veeam. The engineer I discuses the problem with said it was something they where working on. Apparently (when I was trying this) the VTL drivers weren't supported in Veeam. I think (at the time) on Symantec was able to interface with it.

If anyone has had success with this in Veeam 8 or 7 please let me know. This would be a great way to stick in historical backups in to glazier
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:08 am 1 person likes this post

The recent release of AWS VTL Gateway brings support to both B&R v7 Patch #4 and B&R v8. Thanks.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby Bobin_NZ » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:27 pm

Thanks Eremin. I will start testing it out. Appreciate the quick reply.
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Re: Testing Veeam B&R v8 and I want to archive data to Amazo

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:25 am

You're welcome. Should other questions regarding Amazon S3 or Cloud Connect arise, feel free to ask. Thanks.
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