The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Domain

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The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Domain

Veeam Logoby skydok » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:24 am 2 people like this post

Hi Guys,
As part of my travels between customers i'm always getting the "Why should i invest in a Deduplication appliance?"
Well it has it advantages of course but lots of customer say they preffer to invest in 6TB Drives in a JBOD instead to get the same capacity at the end.
THEY BELIVE IN THE VEEAM NATIVE Compaction & LOW-COST DRIVES against the technology of deduplication appliance.

WELLLL...I wanted to once and for all show them the numbers so i did a DEMO for them and now you can see the results also.

http://skydok.com/2015/08/09/the-battle ... storeonce/

ENJOY!
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native v.s EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby chrisdearden » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:29 am 1 person likes this post

Can you repeat the test but with non duplicate data for the incremental workloads ?
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native v.s EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby skydok » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:32 am

There will be Volume #2 Update for the post which will include the follwoing:
1.Non-Duplicated Data
2.Enterprise Applications (Exchange,SQL,FS)

I belive i will come to this in the Next week :)
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native v.s EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby chrisdearden » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:00 am 1 person likes this post

Look forward to it :)
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native v.s EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby dellock6 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:52 pm 1 person likes this post

nice job indeed! Only doubt is the ingest performances, as max speed seems the same for each job, as the bottleneck is source...

It would be also interesting to see "restore" performances, once in a while :D
There's obviously a trade-off in choosing a dedup appliance, and a restore example would better explain in some designs a non-dedupe storage is preferred (and also on ingest performances) ;)
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native v.s EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby skydok » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:02 pm

I need to save somthing for later , no ?!? :)
Of coure the restore comperission was also planned and will be in the next Post as an indepent subject.
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native v.s EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:10 pm 1 person likes this post

Good first step, but yes - I would love to see results on more real-world workloads:
skydok wrote:1.Non-Duplicated Data
2.Enterprise Applications (Exchange,SQL,FS)
I believe i will come to this in the Next week :)

1. I think we can all guess the results here ;) are you perhaps thinking just a bunch of JPEGs here or something?
2. Now this will be a fun test - as contrary to popular belief, these workloads do not dedupe well at all ;)
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby skydok » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:51 pm 1 person likes this post

1.I'm going to Mix Pics/Movie Clips and Bin files. Any other suggestion?
2.I'm Sure it will be intresting too :) Do you have any suggestions here as weel?

I like that you all started to get into the details :) i deffently now do this in the comming weeks and will publish the Updates.
You will be notified don't worry .
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby petergrande » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:28 pm 1 person likes this post

Great comparison post on dedupe factor differences , if I may give you a suggestion since I can see that source is probably the limiting part here, not sure what it is that limits it, Disk, NIC and so on.. anyway if you can bump up the source speed in any way that would be great for the performance comparison maybe, we use DD990s and I`ve seeen transfer speeds up around 3000 MB/s source deduped from a single host (not with Veeam though, we haven´t moved our Veeam environment to DD yet), also remember DD can handle quite a lot of simultaneous sessions with good results, the max sessions depends a little on which DD model though, so if you run a larger workload with more VMs simultaneously would also be great to see, not sure here if the CPU Core limitations apply to Veeam B&R in combination with DD, but I guess it does..
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby aporter » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:31 am 1 person likes this post

Thanks for running these tests and for sharing the results. It would be interesting to see how a target running Windows Server 2012 deduplication stacks up with the same tests as well.
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby mairiesuresnes » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:42 am 1 person likes this post

Very useful! Thanks
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby skydok » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:32 am

I would deffently like to pumb up my source , but currently the hardware is what it is :) I'm Testing currently the same Scenarios on physical HW as well (Physical DD etc), it will take my two-three weeks until all test are done . Transfer Speed isn't somthing i was looking to compare ,more the evffectifve ness of the capacity savings. Therfore all speed mettrics are simillar there which i ignored for now.

petergrande wrote:Great comparison post on dedupe factor differences , if I may give you a suggestion since I can see that source is probably the limiting part here, not sure what it is that limits it, Disk, NIC and so on.. anyway if you can bump up the source speed in any way that would be great for the performance comparison maybe, we use DD990s and I`ve seeen transfer speeds up around 3000 MB/s source deduped from a single host (not with Veeam though, we haven´t moved our Veeam environment to DD yet), also remember DD can handle quite a lot of simultaneous sessions with good results, the max sessions depends a little on which DD model though, so if you run a larger workload with more VMs simultaneously would also be great to see, not sure here if the CPU Core limitations apply to Veeam B&R in combination with DD, but I guess it does..
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby skydok » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:32 am

Nice Idea , I'll add it also as a Feature request :)
aporter wrote:Thanks for running these tests and for sharing the results. It would be interesting to see how a target running Windows Server 2012 deduplication stacks up with the same tests as well.
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby lightsout » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:29 pm

Very nice! I'd like to see what happens if you enabled Windows' host based deduplication on top of it. :)
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Re: The Battle of the species: Veeam Native vs. EMC Data Dom

Veeam Logoby skydok » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:31 pm

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Its a Secret :D :D :D :D :!: :!: :!:
lightsout wrote:Very nice! I'd like to see what happens if you enabled Windows' host based deduplication on top of it. :)
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