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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by mxx » Mar 18, 2015 3:16 pm

For someone like me, who doesn't have access to any fancy vmware features as it's only vsphere essentials, the only interesting part of VSphere 6 is the new VCA with the hopefully improved performance and GUI of the web client.
I really HATE that webclient and I use the c# client as much as possible. I guess I'm not alone with this :D

Someone mentioned that the main issue regarding interoperability with VCenter Server v6 was that it no longer supports sslv3 which the vddk used by Veeam needs.
As I wouldn't upgrade the hosts just yet, only the VCenter Server, is there a chance for a workaround?
Enabling sslv3 (if that's possible) in VCenter Server 6 (while staying on esxi 5.5)?

Or something else. Is it possible to upgrade the VDDK Veeam uses to the latest 5.5 version?
"This issue is resolved in the VDDK 5.5.4 release by enabling support for and requesting Transport Layer Security version 1 (TLSv1)".

Thank you!

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Gostev » Mar 18, 2015 6:18 pm 1 person likes this post

SSLv3 is not the only issue anyway.

But no, it is not possible to simply replace VDDK modules, because there are some tie ups between our code and VDDK modules on binary level, allowing us to handle certain VDDK issues and limitations transparently for enhanced reliability. Just replacing the modules to different ones will cause unpredictable results, and more importantly will render your deployment unsupported by Veeam.

Besides, consider if it is even a good idea to jump a major release of any software just a few days after it has been released. It is always a better idea to let someone else run into the initial wave of bugs. Most companies have the "SP1 rule" for any new releases, and I am totally with them on this.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by mxx » Mar 18, 2015 7:30 pm

Yes, that's why I won't update the hosts just yet. VCenter Server I only need for Veeam and rarely for VUM so I would have risked it. But now that's out of the question obviously.
Thanks Gostev for clearing that up and thanks for answering all those annoying questions ;)

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Gostev » Mar 18, 2015 7:59 pm 1 person likes this post

No problems at all, I've been doing this every year for the past 8 years ;)

By the way, the official blog post is now live > VMware vSphere 6 support coming soon
Should be helpful in case you need to send someone the summary of this topic.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by DaveBristolIT » Mar 24, 2015 3:52 pm 1 person likes this post

I might have been a bit over-enthusiastic and also upgraded my onsite vCentre to 6.0

I upgraded two hosts, one which runs the Veeam backup VM (only) and one that doesn't currently run any VMs.

The rest are still on 5.5U2.

Luckily, somehow, all of my Veeam backup and replication jobs are still working.

Not saying go ahead and upgrade Vcentre... but in our case, we got lucky :)

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Hydargos » Mar 27, 2015 10:16 am

DaveBristolIT wrote:Not saying go ahead and upgrade Vcentre... but in our case, we got lucky :)
Helo,

Did you try to restore a VM ? I updated my vcenter and my backup jobs works fine. It just fail to restore vms.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by dellock6 » Mar 27, 2015 11:16 am 4 people like this post

"just".... :)
The final goal of any backup is the restore, so please please be careful in updating your environments to unsupported versions of any hypervisor...
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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by DaveBristolIT » Mar 30, 2015 10:36 am

Hydargos wrote: Helo,

Did you try to restore a VM ? I updated my vcenter and my backup jobs works fine. It just fail to restore vms.
I haven't yet, but after seeing this, I probably should try!

FYI: My Offsite Veeam that connects into this local vCentre started failing with bad username/password. I rescanned the host under backup infrastructure and everything was detected fine, and have now retried the job and it appears to be running correctly.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by DaveBristolIT » Mar 30, 2015 11:03 am

All good on the restore:
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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Marc.H » Mar 30, 2015 2:04 pm

seb1410 wrote:Like everyone I might have been a bit too enthusiastic. Upgraded my vcenter and some of my hosts to the last release and so far everything worked fine until I noticed that the backups were taking unusually way longer.
In the Veeam 8 action screen I see for all vm’s I am backing up “xx/xx/xxxx xx:xx:xx :: CBT data is invalid, failing over to legacy incremental backup. No action is required, next job run should start using CBT again. If CBT data remains invalid, follow KB1113 to perform CBT reset. Usual cause is power loss.” Resulting in full pass for all vm’s.
Tried resetting the cbt as per the kb but doesn’t seem to help.
Is this a known issue with vsphere 6 that should keep away people from upgrading ? Of course the hosts that haven't been upgraded are still backed up at the same speed.

Tkx for any input
I have exactly the same behavior. Backup runs fine, but always failing over to legacy - no CBT support at the moment,.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by nubishosting » Mar 30, 2015 10:52 pm

Greetings,

I recently upgraded to vCenter v6.0 in a production environment, and I have one IBM host running ESXi v6.0, and Veeam is working GREAT, as usual !! I did a guest O/S file restore, no problem. So I will be upgrading the other hosts (currently running 5.x) in the next couple of weeks.


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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Gostev » Mar 31, 2015 12:41 am

Hi, Kevin. Before proceeding with the upgrade, please also consider that upgrading to vSphere 6 at this time will render your B&R deployment unsupported by Veeam Customer Support. In other words, you will be on your own in case of any backup or restore issues. Thanks!

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by nubishosting » Mar 31, 2015 3:48 pm

Hi Gostev,

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Given this, I will NOT upgrade other hosts to 6.0 until Veeam is officially supporting it. As long as Veeam Tech Support will support me using vCenter 6.0 with ESXi 5.x hosts, we are good for now.


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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by marco.horstmann » Apr 01, 2015 6:01 am

At the moment we are NOT supporting vSphere 6.0. This includes ESXi 6.0 and vCenter 6.0.

As mentioned from Gostev you need to wait for Update 2 to get a supported solution. Please always take a look in our system requirements.
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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by jamerson » Apr 06, 2015 12:37 am

unfortunately had to update today one of my customers to ESXI 6.0 because of bug and Vmware advised to update it.
in the mean while the back up stops working of course. hopefully we will get the update 2 soon.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Vitaliy S. » Apr 06, 2015 9:06 am

Julien, what vSphere bug were you trying to fix this way?

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by jamerson » Apr 06, 2015 3:52 pm 1 person likes this post

Vitaliy S. wrote:Julien, what vSphere bug were you trying to fix this way?
its was a Certificate and vSAN,
Vmware advised to update to 6.0

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Gostev » Apr 06, 2015 8:10 pm

Well, the good news is that VSAN 2.0 support is coming as a part of our Update 2 as well.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by jamerson » Apr 06, 2015 10:56 pm

Gostev wrote:Well, the good news is that VSAN 2.0 support is coming as a part of our Update 2 as well.
i've read it somewhere.
can't wait for the update :)
in the mean while we have to update running .
so keep the fingers across.

i've understand the update 2 will be available by the end of this month ? is this true ?

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Gostev » Apr 06, 2015 11:48 pm 2 people like this post

That is correct. Limited availability next week, followed by general availability by the end of this month.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by jamerson » Apr 07, 2015 1:39 pm

is fast guys !
You work hard !

keep up the good work

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by SyNtAxx » Apr 07, 2015 9:23 pm

Gostev wrote:That is correct. Limited availability next week, followed by general availability by the end of this month.
What does limited availability mean? Users with cases logged get access? I have several issues in tier 3 support.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Gostev » Apr 07, 2015 10:13 pm

That is correct, Nick. And, I am sure you will be one of the first to get it (I am aware of that issue you have with the two overlapping hot fixes required). Thanks!

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by SyNtAxx » Apr 07, 2015 11:18 pm

Gostev wrote:That is correct, Nick. And, I am sure you will be one of the first to get it (I am aware of that issue you have with the two overlapping hot fixes required). Thanks!
Thank you. I appreciate your looking into my situation. I am eager to put the patch into place and see what happens :)

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by mysidia » Apr 08, 2015 8:46 pm 1 person likes this post

jamerson wrote:unfortunately had to update today one of my customers to ESXI 6.0 because of bug and Vmware advised to update it.
in the mean while the back up stops working of course. hopefully we will get the update 2 soon.
I am confused by that particular one... latest versions of ESXi 5.0 and 5.5 releases are not End of Support,
and ESXi5 still gets updates; going from 5 to 6 is a major upgrade.... not an update or simple patch.

Seems like someone at VMware owes you a proper fix for whichever major release was being used,
since not all your applications are compatible with ESXi6 yet.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by jamerson » Apr 09, 2015 9:34 pm

the issue is we had 5.1, and to go to 5.5 we had to buy the licenses twice.
was twice cheaper to update to 6.0 than to 5.5
the customer knows the updates will be down for two weeks atleast.

thank you

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by jamerson » Apr 10, 2015 10:47 pm

sorry can't edit the post.
somehow Veeam is working even on version 6.0 !
this time had to add the vCenter not the vSphere.
everything works smootly as supposed to.
run twice a back up today off site too.

why it does works , dont ask me :)

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by Marc.H » Apr 13, 2015 8:40 am

Hi,

any news on the Update? Is there any chance to get the limited version?

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by veremin » Apr 13, 2015 8:45 am

We're still aiming at end of April. Thanks.

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Re: VMware vSphere 6.0 support

Post by SyNtAxx » Apr 13, 2015 2:29 pm

v.Eremin wrote:We're still aiming at end of April. Thanks.
I have to be honest, I'm not sure I can wait until end of April. I feel like i'm being strung along for patch 2 to resolve issues. I have situations, where the hotfix itself needs to be 'hotfixed' and am running into more issues by the day. Tape jobs now fail to dump because of .vbk synthesize and date errors. I've already altered the time format as suggested for the work around. No go.

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