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Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Feb 14, 2017 11:16 am

Hi all,

We have recently upgraded our B&R servers to Windows Server 2016, we are using Windows deduplication and we have installed hotfix KB3216755 to deal with deduplication corruption issues.
We use our backup repositories only for backups, we do not save or write any other data to those drives.

We seem to be experiencing a high level of volume issues that have to be fixed with CHKDSK.
The errors we find seem to always be "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect".

On the 7th of Feb we checked all our repositories and found issues on these drives:
Server Drive
ABK01 F:
BBK01 F:
CBK01 F:
DBK02 I:
DBK02 H:

On the 8th we had no reported issues.

On the 14th we have these:
Server Drive
ABK01 F:
ABK01 G:
CBK01 F:
DBK01 F:

So we have the drive "F:" on 3 different servers reporting "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect" twice within a week and this has happened before, that is why we started testing and logging. I think drive letter F: is coincidental, that drive is Tier 2 storage on all the servers.
HP diagnostics and utilities are not reporting any issues with the servers.
The servers are fairly up to date as far as Windows updates and HP firmware and drivers are concerned. Windows was updated last week and HP firmware and drivers about a month ago.
Veeam B&R is version 9.5 with update 1.
We have not seen this behaviour on drives that are not deduplicated.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Do you think changing the repositories to "Align backup file data blocks" could help? Should we do this anyway on our deduplicated volumes? Are any downsides?

I have logged a call on this and the call ID is: 02068714

Thanks,
Sean

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by MOBO » Feb 14, 2017 12:02 pm

from Veeam Community Forums Digest for MOBO [Jan 23 - Jan 29, 2017]
THE WORD FROM GOSTEV
Major data corruption warning for those of you who have already jumped the much improved Windows Server 2016 deduplication for production use (the rest can take a deep breath). Last week, we have started to receive multiple reports on corruptions of backup files hosted on Windows Server 2016 NTFS volumes with Data Deduplication feature enabled. Luckily, the issue was easy to spot due to the system event log event (rarely the case by the way, as most storage-level corruptions go undetected - which is why it is extremely important to have storage-level corruption guard enabled in the advanced backup job settings at least when you are trying out new things).

I've already received the official confirmation from Microsoft that this is the know issue (ID 10165851) which is scheduled to be addressed in the next Windows Server 2016 servicing update. There are actually two separate issues, both leading to file corruption when using deduplication on very large files. One issue occurs when files grow to 2.2TB or larger, and another one causes loss of checksums for files with "smaller sizes" - this is the actual wording of the official note, so I have no idea how small. As such, I highly recommend assuming that all your existing backup can be damaged, and performing an active full backup to a repository backed by a volume without deduplication feature enabled. Needless to say, since those of you who are affected already have a Windows Server 2016 based repository, I highly recommend that you use ReFS.
veeam-backup-replication-f2/corrupted-f ... 40406.html

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Feb 14, 2017 2:05 pm

@MOBO

Thanks, we went through all that pain, these symptoms are different though, but I guess they could be related. According to MS KB3216755 is preview, but it does fix the corruption issues.
As much as Veeam advise ReFS, there is no deduplication on ReFS and with the amount of times we have had to do Active Full backups our storage repositories would have been full a very long time ago.
We are left to wonder if 2016 is actually ready for production, I think not, but it is a bit too late for us.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Feb 15, 2017 9:14 am

Microsoft pointed me to this article:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... for-file-5

Does the Veeam backup copy use VSS? Could this be the cause of the problems we are having?

I guess it could that the preview KB3216755 doesn't cover all deduplication corruption issues...

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by Mike Resseler » Feb 15, 2017 9:18 am

I might be completely wrong here, but MSFT pointed you to this article? You are running 2016 right? That hotfix is only for older OS-es and is long time ago fixed and implemented in the current OS-es

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Feb 15, 2017 12:23 pm

Yes MSFT pointed me to that article and I also noticed it was for older OS, I was just wondering if somehow this fault could have been re-introduced with Server 2016. Anyway I'm in touch with MS, hopefully something will come up.

It is just weird that we will fix the disk with CHKDSK and sometimes on the next it already has issues again. The only things that currently write to the disk are Veeam backups and, of course, the deduplication process.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by Gostev » Feb 28, 2017 2:32 pm

"Volume Bitmap is incorrect" error message when using CHKDSK
If anyone else is seeing this issue, let me know as I need to put you in contact directly with the dedupe development team at Microsoft through the special channel - they are currently investigating and need more real-world environments to research this potential bug.

When posting, please note if you're OK with me sharing your forum registration email with the deduplication team at Microsoft - I won't share anyone's contact by default.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by VladV » Mar 06, 2017 6:02 am

Hi Gostev,

On 19/12/2016 I experienced this issue and opened a case with Veeam. Case # 02013712. When running chkdsk on the affected drive without any switches, on stage 3 Examining security descriptors ... I got The Volume Bitmap is incorrect without any other errors.

The reason for opening the case was this error:

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19/12/2016 11:30:55 :: Processing XXXXX Error: All instances of the storage metadata are corrupted. Failed to restore file from local backup. VFS link: [summary.xml]. Target file: [MemFs://frontend::CDataTransferCommandSet::RestoreText_{fb87560a-f686-444a-add0-96e012ea3897}]. CHMOD mask: [721]. Agent failed to process method {DataTransfer.RestoreText
This volume is backed by a Nexenta ZFS appliance with end to end CRC check and Sync always option enabled so we excluded any issues with the storage itself. The dedup logs are clean also.

Let me know if you need anything else.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Mar 06, 2017 9:20 am

For us running CHKDSK /SCAN doesn't report the error, if we run it without switches or with /F we get "Volume Bitmap is incorrect" on a regular basis.
To detect this fault you may have to run CHKDSK without any switches.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by Gostev » Mar 06, 2017 12:13 pm

@Vlad are you OK with me sharing your contact details with the deduplication team at Microsoft?

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by VladV » Mar 06, 2017 3:05 pm

Sure.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by AISD » Mar 06, 2017 9:30 pm

We have this issue as well, I sent an email to dedupfeedback@microsoft.com earlier today. I opened a support request on 1/25 related to this issue. I closed it after installing KB3216755, which seemed to keep them calm for a while. However I’m seeing this occur again. I’m ready to go back to 2012 R2 so I can have greater reliability, but I will stay on 2016 if you need another person to do some testing with for any reason.

3/6/2017 4:42:22 AM :: Full backup file merge failed Error: Agent: Failed to process method {Transform.Patch}: Data error (cyclic redundancy check).
Failed to flush file buffers. File: [D:\Backups\File Servers Job\FILESHARE3.vm-96D2017-01-09T171528.vbk].
3/6/2017 5:22:27 AM :: Error: Agent: Failed to process method {Transform.Patch}: Data error (cyclic redundancy check).
Failed to flush file buffers. File: [D:\Backups\File Servers Job\FILESHARE3.vm-96D2017-01-09T171528.vbk].

Today approximately 12:00 pm

Event ID 12805
Data Deduplication service found 3 corruption(s) on volume D:\. 0 corruption(s) are fixed. 1 user file(s) are corrupted. 0 user file(s) are fixed. For the corrupted file list, see the Microsoft/Windows/Deduplication/Scrubbing events.

Event ID 12800
Data Deduplication service detected corruption in "D:\Backups\File Servers Job\FILESHARE3.vm-96D2017-01-10T171514.vbk". The corruption cannot be repaired.

Event ID 12802
Data Deduplication service detected a corrupted item (Bad checksum - 8, 0x190000, 0x0, 0x4B9, recall bitmap body) in Deduplication Chunk Store on volume D:\. See the event details for more information.
Data Deduplication service detected a corrupted item (Bad checksum - 7, 0x190000, 0x0, 0x4B9, recall bitmap body) in Deduplication Chunk Store on volume D:\. See the event details for more information.
Data Deduplication service detected a corrupted item (Bad checksum - Recall bitmap, 0x190000, 0x0, 0x4B9, recall bitmap body) in Deduplication Chunk Store on volume D:\. See the event details for more information.

Running chkdsk it give error:
“The Volume Bitmap is incorrect.”

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by sdis68 » Mar 12, 2017 7:46 am

Hi,

Same problem here, with the same event id. We have one job that produce a VBK greater than 2,2Tb, and after deduplication it corrupted.

I try to install KB3216755, I will see if it solve the problem.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Mar 13, 2017 9:21 am 1 person likes this post

Microsoft have acknowledged this to be a bug, they are not sure if it is a bug with deduplication or with NTFS, I will let you know what happens.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by Mike Resseler » Mar 14, 2017 8:00 am

@nicolas,

Please don't install KB3216755 if that server holds also a SQL installation. It could really mess up your environment :-(

@Sean: Keep us informed, that would be highly appreciated!

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by somethingsomething » Mar 30, 2017 4:14 pm

We're running Server 2016 w/NTFS Deduped and we've been bitten by "All instances of the metadata are corrupted" 3 times now.
I also ran a chkdsk and I see the "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect" error. But if I do a chkdsk /scan all I get is"Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems. / No further action is required."
KB3216755 did nothing to fix the problem.

I don't see anything in the event logs that appears to be dedup related.

@gostev Please feel free to share details with MS if I can help.

Case # 02104227

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by DonZoomik » Mar 30, 2017 6:21 pm

somethingsomething wrote:"All instances of the metadata are corrupted"
It seems to go away by itself. After a few hours it works fine.
I've seen 2012R2 dedup lock VBM files that causes backup to fail, could be related...

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by RGijsen » Mar 31, 2017 1:19 pm

Same issues here. But another thread for this exists: veeam-backup-replication-f2/corrupted-f ... 06-30.html

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by somethingsomething » Apr 03, 2017 12:29 pm

DonZoomik wrote:
It seems to go away by itself. After a few hours it works fine.
I've seen 2012R2 dedup lock VBM files that causes backup to fail, could be related...
Before I applied the patch, I ran into the problem --- and it did not work fine later. Even on subsequent backups I still had the corruption.
It might have gone away after the third time I ran into the problem (post-hotfix), but I didn't want to meddle anymore.

I still have the scandisk error, so I'm done taking risks for now.

Interestingly enough, on another volume that is deduped but not being used by VEEAM, I've had no issues. Scandisk doesn't report any errors.

REFS, here I come. It's had some bugs but so far it's been more stable.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by Delo123 » Apr 06, 2017 7:44 am

We have seen these locks on 2012R2 only in the beginning when first experimenting with dedupe, in 100% of the cases (at our site) they were caused by Deduplication set to VDI Server instead of general purpose file server. in 2016 virtualized file server should be the option to choose.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by RGijsen » Apr 06, 2017 8:02 am

We have our repository set to general purpose file server, yet we do face the metadata corruption issue. So far the only option that worked for me is to start a new active full. Waiting / rebooting never made the issue 'disappear'. I currently have a Veeam ticket on this, 02112363, but as expected it all points at Microsoft dedupe being the culprit here.

One thing I have to mention though, at the moment we are running out of space on our repository. That means that we dedup files 0 days of age. Also as we start the offsite copy as soon as a job is finished, the actual file would be in use. I've enabled OptimizeInUseFiles. I've just disabled that to see if that would make a difference. However, if I'm not mistaken we had that disabled initially. Will keep you informed.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by RGijsen » Apr 12, 2017 8:30 am

Update; we've ran for about one and a half week without Dedupe, and everything worked perfectly well. I enabled dedupe this weekend, and tonight already I again had the corrupt metadata issues again. So it really seems to be dedupe that is bugging here. Yet another MS problem. They really rushed out Server 2016 way too soon.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Jun 19, 2017 11:27 am

MS provided us with a private hotfix and since the implementation of the hotfix about 2 weeks ago we stopped having NTFS corruption. So far running CHKDSK on our volumes stopped reporting errors.

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by Mike Resseler » Jun 20, 2017 3:51 am

Sean,

That sounds like good news! Any idea if MSFT will put that hotfix in the next rollup update? Or is it still under review?

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by SeandG » Jun 26, 2017 8:15 am

Hi Mike,

This is the last message I have from Microsoft:
We have started the processing of generating a public fix of this change. We can let you know when it will be available once the update release date is determined

If I get more info, I will place it here

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by zuldan » Aug 02, 2017 8:11 am

Looks like the NTFS bug causing corruption when sparse files is used by deduplication (aka "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect") will patched next Tuesday.
Addressed issue where NTFS sparse files were unexpectedly truncated (NTFS sparse files are used by Data Deduplication—deduplicated files may be unexpectedly corrupted as a result). Also updated chkdsk to detect which files are corrupted.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/help/4032188

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by zuldan » Aug 02, 2017 11:09 pm

Well this is really weird. Only the latest Windows 10 CU contains the NTFS fix not the latest 2016 CU.

Dedup is used mostly on 2016 server, not Windows 10. Totally weird.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4025334

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Re: Disk errors on Windows server 2016 with deduplication

Post by mih » Aug 03, 2017 1:26 pm

the update for Server 2016 is the one mentioned here:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/fil ... kb4025334/

but yeah, the text "Addressed issue where NTFS sparse files were unexpectedly truncated (NTFS sparse files are used by Data Deduplication—deduplicated files may be unexpectedly corrupted as a result). Also updated chkdsk to detect which files are corrupted. " is missing in the update for Server 2016

We have KB4025334 installed, and have not encountered the problem since.

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