Rotated hard drives support in v8

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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby bernardw » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:54 pm

Is there any way to remove a drive from a "rotated hard drive repository" I added one accidentally. Now the repository has changed drive letters to follow my mistake addition and there is no way that I can see to change the repository to a different drive letter!

If there is no current way to do these functions - shouldn't there be a way to do it?
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby v.Eremin » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:10 am

What if you create a new repository without rotated drive option, move backup files to it, re-map backup jobs and delete the wrong repository afterwards?
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby TonioRoffo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:34 pm

I need some more information on rotated drive option.

* We are using a QNAP drive to connect the external, rotated drives. Drives present themselves as a CIFS share on the NAS \\nasname\sharename - where the CIFS name always stays the same, eventhough we have ~10 disks present. A backup copy job seems to run fine as long the drives are empty. As soon as a previously used drive presents itself, a new VBK gets created and fails halfway, because my disks haven't got the room for multiple VBK's. Shouldn't the VBK's be deleted if they are out of retention? Are they deleted before or after the backup run?

Basically I want to run a backup copy job, every night, to a drive, where the drive keeps a single .VBK

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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:58 pm

Retention applies at the end of successful job run.

To perform cleanup of existing backup files prior each run, use the ForceDeleteBackupFiles registry key.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby JulianBlue » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:37 pm

"To perform cleanup of existing backup files prior each run, use the ForceDeleteBackupFiles registry key."

Are you saying that the ForceDeleteBackupFiles reg key is still DOING MORE THINGS in v8 (or v9?) than the "Rotated Hard Drives" setting of a Repository ?

Because I need to create everytime a single Full VBK on each rotated drive because of size contraints, so I ended up with a brutal pre-script:
del R:\CopyJob\*.vbk
del R:\CopyJob\*.vib

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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby Gostev » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:15 am

I wouldn't say "it does more", but it certainly "deletes more". Basically, it brutally wipes out everything from the job folder of newly inserted hard drive, whether or not some backups may still be under job's retention policy. Whereas the Rotated hard drives setting is "smarter" and only deletes backup files no longer under retention.

Looking at your script, it does exactly the same thing as what ForceDeleteBackupFiles registry key does.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby bernardw » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:08 pm

One thing to remember is that the Registry Keys only work on the "drive letter" the job last ran on. It does not move to the new drive letter when the rotated media changes drives.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:37 pm

For Windows repositories this shouldn't be the case, they support drive letter change.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby bernardw » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:43 pm

With Case # 01718268 and Veeam 9 it seems to be that the backup content is not removed when the drive letter changes (we are still working through the case).

My preference is to delete the content of the backups before the new backup runs because I have 6 TB drives and 4+ TB of backups to put on them. If the cleanup happens after or does not happen at all then my drives are full and the backups fail.

So we are trying to figure out what is going on and validate how the registry keys work in conjunction to the Veeam 9.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:58 pm

Thanks for sharing the case ID. If the repository is a Windows server (not CIFS share), I'd be interested in the results of your findings.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby bernardw » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:06 pm

Yes the repository is a windows server - USB drives directly connected to the Veeam console server.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:25 pm

Just to check, do you rotate drives each time the job runs? If the drive is the same and just the letter changes, cleanup will not be triggered.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby bernardw » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:33 pm

Yes I rotate the drives every day (other then the weekend). Every time I rotate the drives I want a new VBK file to be created by the Copy Job and the only way for it to fit is for the old files (VBK and possibly VIB) need to be deleted before the job starts.

In general I get the same drive letter from day to day and it works just fine. Last week we tried changing the drive letter and syncing the job. It detects that the media has changed but it did not delete the VBK file before running the copy job.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:50 am

We will try to reproduce the behavior you're seeing, I'll get back with the results.
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Re: Rotated hard drives support in v8

Veeam Logoby foggy » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:41 pm

This turns out to be an issue with the backup copy jobs, regular backup jobs are unaffected. Will be addressed in the next version. Thanks for the heads up!
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