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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by foggy » Jun 07, 2017 4:50 pm

You can find some recommendations regarding backup storage in this thread. Thanks.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by avelinop01 » Jun 07, 2017 5:00 pm

Thank you. I was looking for exact feedback on the Synology units I was looking at.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by foggy » Jun 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Probably others who had the ability to use these models will chime in, my main point was to pay your attention at other possible options as well.

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Post by avelinop01 » Jun 07, 2017 5:05 pm

of course. Thank you.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by ITP-Stan » Jun 12, 2017 9:05 am

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products ... ce#xs_plus

The XS+ is faster, but is it worth the price difference, I can't tell.

You're probably only going to do ISCSI to the box from a mount/proxy/backup server.

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NetApp FAS for Backup Target

Post by Mildur » Jun 30, 2017 10:47 am

We are looking into acquiring "NetApp FAS with NL SAS" for primary (or better secondary) iSCSI Backup target. Is this a good choice?
I know, technically it will work. But what about the performance? Backup and restore times?
What are the impacts with "refs filesystem in the iscsi volume on windows site" and "deduplication on netapp site"?

Thank you very much, if someone has any experience with this scenario.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by btmaus » Jul 07, 2017 10:32 am

Anybody using Dell R730XD servers with lots of disk as a target repository? Looking to move my daily backups to something like this, as the Dell DR series dedupe appliance isn't coping. The DR works well for the longer term GFS backups, but the daily backups need to be moved to something faster. Keen to hear from people using the R730XD, and what configuration you have?

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by ITP-Stan » Jul 07, 2017 12:11 pm

I would definitely do primary backup to something fast, so no dedup appliance or windows dedup. Direct attached storage with a bunch of disks is definitely a good option, speed-wise. A SAN with decent throughput will do fine as well.
For GFS secondary backup dedup makes sense, or just use ReFS 64k without dedup.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by JaySt » Jul 07, 2017 10:45 pm

btmaus wrote:Anybody using Dell R730XD servers with lots of disk as a target repository? Looking to move my daily backups to something like this, as the Dell DR series dedupe appliance isn't coping. The DR works well for the longer term GFS backups, but the daily backups need to be moved to something faster. Keen to hear from people using the R730XD, and what configuration you have?
Great machines ! Used them a couple of times for dedicated repository servers and all-in-one appliance-like deployments running Windows server 2016. We have very good performance using perc h730 and 12 disk RAID6 disk setups, dual 8 core xeons and 64GB+ memory. Additionally two SSD disks in the flexbays in the back for boot and vpower cache . 600MB - 1GB/s sequential throughput easily. 10gbit ethernet mostly, some have direct SAN connetions using FC or iSCSI

You could go with storage spaces as well instead of perc raid for additional data integrity checks/healing but its a decision based on management complexity, knowledge etc. if you want simple management, just raid6 gives great results. Preconfiguring a perc H830 adapter for external disk enclosures (MD) is also convenient to quickly/easy adding of capacity if needed in the future

I do have to say all of them protect less than 15TB data currently and less than 75 VMs. So i cannot say i've really stressed them out though i feel they can take quite some additional load.

Im still waiting to deploy multiple 730xd's in a SOBR setup.

I'd reccomend them
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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by btmaus » Jul 10, 2017 2:07 am

@JaySt

Thanks for the info. The 12 disk RAID6 setup you have, is that NL SAS drives? I'm looking at 8TB NL SAS drives in RAID6 to give me the capacity, just worried the performance might be that great?

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by PaulNSW » Jul 10, 2017 8:31 am

Currently running a 730xd with ReFS Storage Spaces on 2016. So far so good...
Due to a bit of confusion during the order process, we've ended up with a bit of a mix of parts, but it's been running smoothly.
Dell HBA330 mini (integrated) to control all the Storage Spaces disks in mirror config (12x 6TB Seagate ST6000NM0095 SAS)
Dell Perc H300 (pcie) controlling the two disks in the Flexbays

Just using a 4 port 1GB NIC, 1 to mgmt, 2 to iSCSI (direct-san to Equallogic that stores all VMs), 1 to QNAP for off-site

Protecting around 30 VMs and a total of 25TB of data

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by JaySt » Jul 17, 2017 8:35 pm

btmaus wrote:@JaySt

Thanks for the info. The 12 disk RAID6 setup you have, is that NL SAS drives? I'm looking at 8TB NL SAS drives in RAID6 to give me the capacity, just worried the performance might be that great?
Yes i use NLSAS drives. Performance is great. I get >1GB/s sequential throughput on the local machine easily. So network is bottlneck for full backups. i use ReFS blockclone during synthetic fulls, so no real performance needed for that either. i also have some machines running NTFS for the repo and it's running just fine, hundreds of MBs/s throughput.

But it depends on what you will send to the repository, backup methods, transfer modes etc etc.
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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by knalbone » Jul 21, 2017 1:54 pm

PaulNSW wrote:Currently running a 730xd with ReFS Storage Spaces on 2016. So far so good...
Due to a bit of confusion during the order process, we've ended up with a bit of a mix of parts, but it's been running smoothly.
Dell HBA330 mini (integrated) to control all the Storage Spaces disks in mirror config (12x 6TB Seagate ST6000NM0095 SAS)
Dell Perc H300 (pcie) controlling the two disks in the Flexbays

Just using a 4 port 1GB NIC, 1 to mgmt, 2 to iSCSI (direct-san to Equallogic that stores all VMs), 1 to QNAP for off-site

Protecting around 30 VMs and a total of 25TB of data
Looking to size something similar myself. I was wondering what your retention looks like. We want nightly incremental backups with weekly synthetic full on 7TB of data. 30 days worth of restore points. The sizing tool at http://rps.dewin.me/ tells me we'll need > 56TB. Excluding space savings from ReFS I wonder if that sounds accurate.
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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by PaulNSW » Aug 02, 2017 2:34 pm

We have 31 days retention and weekly synthetic fulls. Out of 32TB of usable space, we have 5.5TB free at the moment. It's a little messed up right now, as fastclone wasn't working for a while, and because we're using forward incremental, the actual restore points are around 45 per VM.

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[MERGED] Backup System for Veeam

Post by gazfocus » Aug 29, 2017 11:10 pm

I hope you can all help.

Our current setup is a cheap Dell server running Windows Server 2016 Essentials, which is backing up (using the built in software) to another hard drive in the server.

However, I am in the process of upgrading our network, and have just bought a new server and will be running hyper-v and 2 x Windows Server 2016 Std vm's, and I want to put a proper backup system in place.

We are going to be using Veeam Backup & Replication, and my original intention was to buy a Synology RS816 Rackmount NAS, but I've just been reading about using older servers stuffed full with disks, so I'm just wondering what the better option is. We don't have an old server that would be sufficient, so I'd have to buy one, which would cost about £100-150 less than the cost of the Synology, but just wondering which would genuinely be the best option.

In my mind, the Synology is simple to use, and can sync to cloud storage for extra redundancy, whereas I wouldn't really know where to start with using a server as a backup target.

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